Beta stabilisation and Mac clean-up

Readers' comments

Comments left by My Opera members under the original post: the first 50, as archived.

• SergeLuxusmanThursday, May 10, 2012 1:21:45 PM

  WOW

• RachidRachidNLThursday, May 10, 2012 1:25:47 PM

  Finally, we have removed some little used features on Mac; IRC chat and BitTorrent.

  
  
  So I can use Opera 12 to get on IRC in the offce (Windows) but not at home (Mac)? It's a shame Opera's losing feature parity across platforms, although I would appreciate it if less features mean better browsing, stability, (scrolling) performance, etc.

• Ravindran NavaneethanRavindranThursday, May 10, 2012 1:28:20 PM

  Great.
  
  Is issue with Google+ fixed on Windows x64 builds?

• ChrisSlamdexThursday, May 10, 2012 1:28:55 PM

  Originally posted by RachidNL:

  I would appreciate it if less features mean better browsing, stability, (scrolling) performance, etc.

  Why would removing the IRC client make Opera's scrolling smoother? Why would it change anything (in practice) if you aren't even using it?

• BS-HarouThursday, May 10, 2012 1:30:49 PM

  So much for http://my.opera.com/savetheoperachat/about/

• Matheusnom4d3brThursday, May 10, 2012 1:31:59 PM

  And Google Groups stills broken
  
  I use it a lot and every time I post something the browser freezes.

• RachidRachidNLThursday, May 10, 2012 1:35:06 PM

  Originally posted by Slamdex:

  Originally posted by RachidNL:

  I would appreciate it if less features mean better browsing, stability, (scrolling) performance, etc.

  Why would removing the IRC client make Opera's scrolling smoother? Why would it change anything (in practice) if you aren't even using it?

  
  
  I meant to say that without those features, Opera developers will probably have more time to maintain, update and enhance other features.

• PimPimzThursday, May 10, 2012 1:35:21 PM

  Some skin issues on OS X 10.7.3, HWA on
  - Text on inactive tabs is white
  - There is no 'clicked' state of bookmarks in the bookmarks bar when tapping the trackpad. (There is when you physically 'click' on the trackpad).
  
  Edit: text issue only occurring with HWA on.

• OlliOlli91Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:38:31 PM

  Using the sanxboxed version deleted my extensions settings and my speed dial background picture. Also Growl (I use 1.2.2) and Ghostery do not work.
  
  Edit: Looks like the settings get lost on every startup!

• BS-HarouThursday, May 10, 2012 1:40:11 PM

  It is not possible to drag element when the mouse cursor is on text:
  
  http://html5demos.com/drag
  
  Not even when you add the unselectable attribute in dragonfly on the elements.

• Andrew FrazierAndrewDFrazierThursday, May 10, 2012 1:41:25 PM

  It's a pity that the issue of plugins not being recognised on Windows is still there, because since it was fixed in the Mac version that one has been a really good browser.
  
  I'm glad to see that the Personal Bar wasn't one of the toolbars removed. Please don't take it away in future builds.
  
  One thing that I've noticed in the MAc version in this build and, I think, the previous one is that new spelling dictionaries don't install. I only tried a couple but when it gets to the step of accepting the license the dialog says "The (null) dictionary has the following license:" and there is no license shown. Accepting the license allows the dialog to be completed but the dictionary isn't installed.

• kapsiThursday, May 10, 2012 1:42:16 PM

  Drag and drop fixed? Looks like I might start using this instead of 11.6.

• kapsiThursday, May 10, 2012 1:44:23 PM

  Can someone post a screenshot of the new Mac interface?

• mrdThursday, May 10, 2012 1:46:39 PM

  Looks like you've cleared up the HWA Wx64 issue with some text writing on top of itself?
  
  At least, where I used to get it (BBC News) I'm not getting it now.

• D1sasterp1eceThursday, May 10, 2012 1:51:06 PM

  Panel edge toggle starts off black - e.g. when you launch Opera, it is black before you hover it for the first time. It also seems to have some issues with its hover state - it is sometimes blinking
  Plus, DSK-362380 that I experienced and another user got to confirm it. Here's a topic on that.

• feldThursday, May 10, 2012 1:53:54 PM

  Since you've shown interest in using OSX's sandboxing, are there any plans to use Capsaicin on FreeBSD?

• Obese MauriceObeseMauriceThursday, May 10, 2012 1:56:37 PM

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6t5nrbhKg
  
  Since 11.50 or even earlier ...
  
  Win7 x64, Opera 32-bit

• OlliOlli91Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:59:53 PM

  Originally posted by kapsi:

  Can someone post a screenshot of the new Mac interface?

  
  
  There came no changes that you can see directly with this build. They just removed some bars that were optional. My interface for example didn't change at all. And I wouldn't recommend you to use this if you're a classic final user, this is still highly unstable stuff.
  
  Btw: I don't know when, but you fixed the ugly full screen animation wooho!

• Çağlar YeşilyurtgreenchThursday, May 10, 2012 2:03:39 PM

  opera is changing significantly but their users not. So opera can gain more market share but it will loss a part of formery users.

• HPearcehpearceThursday, May 10, 2012 2:05:28 PM

  Opera 64 bit email fetch still crashes ..... 32 bit ok

• PengePenge4Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:09:50 PM

  Originally posted by D1sasterp1ece:

  Panel edge toggle starts off black - e.g. when you launch Opera, it is black before you hover it for the first time. It also seems to have some issues with its hover state - it is sometimes blinking

  
  Ssssh! They will also remove Panels if they're realize that can be buggy.

• ClashCityRockerclashcityrockerThursday, May 10, 2012 2:10:12 PM

  Hmm, sounds like this functionality is also being removed on other platforms soon too, why would they remove them from only one platform?
  
  Sad, as I use IRC all the time. What next? M2? (that would make me ditch Opera totally).
  
  This hidden roadmap is very frustrating, not knowing what's instore, does Opera share the same goals as I do anymore?

• Wojciech EysymonttNastyThursday, May 10, 2012 2:11:43 PM

  Has there been made any attempts to improve startup times in this build? There is no info in this changelog.
  
  Also, has Google Docs making Opera window not repainting bug been fixed?

• VecantiThursday, May 10, 2012 2:13:35 PM

  re: IRC gutting
  
  Features are why I stay/put up with with Opera. If you are going to get rid of features I might as well move to... Chrome.
  
  Chrome is implementing features you are getting rid of. ie. Apps(widgets)
  
  
  

• IllusionMH109thThursday, May 10, 2012 2:13:50 PM

  Originally posted by BS-Harou:

  It is not possible to drag element when the mouse cursor is on text:http://html5demos.com/dragNot even when you add the unselectable attribute in dragonfly on the elements.

  
  Confirmed
  
  Also in previous build found a bug:
  When you select one link in Bookmarks panel and with arrow keys try to "scroll" list down - only selected row updates.
  This is known bug or submit it if others will confirm it?
  
  Win7 Ult SP1 x64
  Opera 12.00 b1406 x64

• Wojciech EysymonttNastyThursday, May 10, 2012 2:15:21 PM

  Originally posted by Vecanti:

  re: IRC gutting
  
  Features are why I stay/put up with with Opera. If you are going to get rid of features I might as well move to... Chrome.
  
  Chrome is implementing features you are getting rid of. ie. Apps(widgets)
  

  
  I agree... Good points...

• Gousti FruitGoustiFruitThursday, May 10, 2012 2:15:33 PM

  Please correct the focus stealing that happens on startup, I think because of the loading of extensions ! Else, one has to wait about 10s before being able to type in the search box, before that the focus will be stolen and the typed text will be cleared !
  Steps:
  - launch Opera
  - immediately start typing in the search box
  - after a few seconds the focus is stolen, the search is cleared, you have to start over :'-(

• pursanovdThursday, May 10, 2012 2:15:57 PM

  Bittorrent- utorrent and more, chat- there are tons of webchat/desktop IRC/various protocols. Legacy code=bugs&security holes. So this move seems logical. For mail i moved to Outlook because M2 is not stable in Opera Next, so i just cant use it normally(Tho Outlook is not free). No, really, better save your resources to make FASTER, more stable, more standard based Browser and not all-in-one solution that is always buggy.

• Afonso1Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:18:29 PM

  Greetings from Brasil. GUYS DICTIONARIES on M2 no longer working.
  
  Download, accept license = 0
  
  Need that fixed. PLS PLS post workaround
  Regards
  AM

• PengePenge4Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:18:40 PM

  Originally posted by greench:

  So opera can gain more market share but it will loss a part of formery users.

  
  LOL! Opera could gain more market share if the websites would work the same way as the other browsers. Or if they fix the position: fixed scrolling bug. The majority of average users doesn't know the removed features. The Chrome (bare bone) is 22MB The Opera is 10-12MB. So even the size doesn't matter.
  
  The clean-up is useless. These features made some users happy, but they should have known at the time of the introduce that doesn't change the world none of them.

• praetor87Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:22:22 PM

  Originally posted by greench:

  opera is changing significantly but their users not. So opera can gain more market share but it will loss a part of formery users.

  
  
  Stick to the knitting or change and make a risk with loosing everything.

• OlliOlli91Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:31:35 PM

  Speaking of Mac cleanup what about RAM usage? Seems this build is eating more RAM than ever (over 700MB right now with 2 opened tabs, both not containing any flash or complex JS)! That would be a real cleanup, fixing some huge memory leaks! And we still have no Lion scrollbars...
  
  Edit: At the end of writing this it got to 900MB...I only wrote this and did nothing else. Usage is still going up and up...really strange behaviour!
  And then there are these whole system freezes for about 30 seconds (not to speak of the several full crashes) that occur especially when extra windows (like Opera settings) are opened.
  
  Edit2: Ok I tested without HWA and RAM usage gets much better. I guess this is an HWA problem then.

• ChrisSlamdexThursday, May 10, 2012 2:33:43 PM

  Originally posted by Vecanti:

  Chrome is implementing features you are getting rid of. ie. Apps(widgets)

  Really? Chrome is getting widgets that run outside the browser?
  
  If not, what are you talking about. Running "apps" inside the browser is something Opera can do already.
  
  

  Originally posted by Olli91:

  Speaking of Mac cleanup what about RAM usage?

  What about reporting problems properly instead of whining pointlessly?

• KurtChrisDaveyThursday, May 10, 2012 2:37:11 PM

  Originally posted by mrd:

  Looks like you've cleared up the HWA Wx64 issue with some text writing on top of itself?
  
  At least, where I used to get it (BBC News) I'm not getting it now.

  still seeing the same problem here - even on BBC....

• wmaniacThursday, May 10, 2012 2:40:14 PM

  Tabs keep closing randomly as soon as I click on them and release the mouse button...32 and 64 bits on Windows 7 64 bits..
  
  This is not happening if I keep the button clicked and move the mouse cursor outside the tab area and then I release the mouse button...
  

• OlliOlli91Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:41:12 PM

  Originally posted by Slamdex:

  What about reporting problems properly instead of whining pointlessly?

  
  
  What am I supposed to report? I don't know the reason of huge RAM usage, but since everyone can reproduce this by just opening Opera and surfing for like 5 minutes I don't see the point of further investigation. That's what the devs should do.

• alexl1984Thursday, May 10, 2012 2:44:26 PM

  One of operas biggest problems is putting out v1.0 of cool innovative features and then leaving them to rot. Removing the decrepit features will be a good thing if it means they can focus efforts on properly maintaining what is left. The truth is there are far better ways to do IRC and torrents on the desktop.
  
  I am sad about torrents though, bittorrent is IMO the latest evolution of moving files around on the internet, from FTP > HTTP GET > torrents, and ive been waiting for all browsers to implement at least basic support of the revolutionary file transfer technology. Theres no better way of introducing it to new people than have them click a torrent link and it just WORKS because the browser itself picks it up. Im sure they put a bit of effort in, all that would be needed to bring the opera bittorrent implementation up to modern spec is DHT/PEX, UTP (libutp is available i believe) encrypted connections, UDP tracker support and magnet support. Apart from that, it doesnt have to be anything fancy like utorrent, just basic download support. So yeah im just a bit disappointed that bittorrent never got updated to keep pace with developments.

• ArgoyneThursday, May 10, 2012 2:45:23 PM

  The known bug description isn't quite right the issue occurs when you click where the close button would be drawn at any time not just background tab not just when there are a lot of tabs. Or at least thats what I'm getting

• MyOpera team, please fix this!fearphageThursday, May 10, 2012 2:45:50 PM

  Mod edit: Trolling/attack/misinformation removed.
  

• Руслан БровкинrbrovkinThursday, May 10, 2012 2:46:15 PM

  Interface bug again! http://i.imgur.com/iaF77.png Please, please fix it! 1360 works ok.

• GeekKThursday, May 10, 2012 2:49:42 PM

  Originally posted by ObeseMaurice:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6t5nrbhKg
  
  Since 11.50 or even earlier ...
  
  Win7 x64, Opera 32-bit

  Confirmed. Same specs.

• SkyREThursday, May 10, 2012 2:56:07 PM

  Tab bar wrapped to multiple lines.
  Drag & drop didn't work when dragging tab on to collapsed Tab Stack.
  If dragging on collapsed Tab Stack from right to left dragged tab jump to the left from Tab Stack.
  If dragging on collapsed Tab Stack from left to right dragged tab left on place (if it was the left most from Tab Stack) or jump to the left of Tab Stack if it's not left most from Tab Stack.
  Opera 12.00.1406 i386, Win7 x64 SP1

• MyOpera team, please fix this!fearphageThursday, May 10, 2012 3:00:44 PM

  Originally posted by praetor87:

  Stick to the knitting or change and make a risk with loosing everything.

  Opera's been the same and stuck to its guns for the 7+ years I've been using it. They went from 0.5% market share to maybe 2% by some measurements. That's incredibly slow by any measurement. Maybe they are trying a new path to get users faster or just focus their efforts to get more specs and features out the door faster. Whatever the case, they have my blessing.

• MichałEmdekThursday, May 10, 2012 3:02:27 PM

  Tab bar redrawing is still messed up after playing with themes and returning to "native" skin.
  Also in previous build native video on YouTube very often caused no longer redrawing UI (for example tab change was only visible through window title change...).
  
  Kubuntu 12.04, 32 bit.

• XombiemubaidrThursday, May 10, 2012 3:02:55 PM

  I think you should not drop these features, instead:
  
  -Drop Support for these features and
  -Make these available as seperate package.
  
  Feature like widgets and bittorent client can be removed because much better alternatives are avaliable.
  
  But for Unite , IRC (and mail client maybe) can be added as optional into Opera setup. i.e; User can be prompted if he wants to install these feautres This will make everybody happy.
  
  Or atleast provide these as seperate package, please.

• Frederick Barnettfred8615Thursday, May 10, 2012 3:05:17 PM

  Win 7 64 bit SP1
  ATI Raedeon HD 4300/4500
  64 bit build, clean install.
  
  - POP e-mail still doesn't work.
  
  - Still has jumbled up text with HWA turned on.
  
  - Java doesn't load at all now!! Though in a way it is better than driving the cpu up to 100% like it was doing before.

• THEASTThursday, May 10, 2012 3:11:11 PM

  Hmm, menu bar is STILL broken but at least links do not randomly open in a new tab because of the HTML5 drag & drop.

• mgl4evrThursday, May 10, 2012 3:12:08 PM

  I had the feeling they would ditch the IRC client...
  Sad. Most of the conversations i have on IRC involve links to something on the web, so running the client inside the browser made it simpler.
  Here's hoping they'll reconsider. But knowing my luck, I better start looking for an alternative.
  The new snapshot is much appreciated though!

• DillonAstrophizzThursday, May 10, 2012 3:18:32 PM

  I imagine IRC and bittorrent will be removed on other platforms. Saying that bittorrent and IRC clients on Mac are good enough that Opera devs can redirect their attention while claiming that's not the case for Windows or Linux would be ridiculous since those platforms have better clients for both services than Macs do. I'm glad Opera is getting rid of features they've let rot.

• BugfixerThursday, May 10, 2012 3:22:15 PM

  Acid3 test is broken.
  
  Windows 7 32 bit