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Friday update

August 25, 2006 · by borg

No new build this week, but don't despair, we haven't stopped either improving on 9 or working on the future of Web browsing :smile:

The last few weeks some of the desktop developers and QA people have also travelled a bit, visiting some of our favorite competitors, Microsoft and Apple. After enjoying the summer we're all now back to full speed again.

There will be more builds from 9.0x posted here pretty soon, some to verify fixes, but we may also try out a couple of experiments on you (consider yourself warned :whistle: ). But for now, browse safely and have a nice weekend!

Readers' comments

Comments left by My Opera members under the original post: the first 50, as archived.

  • mohegan25. August 2006, 16:46:20

    I'm first.

    Maybe a better plugin for video in linux

    Good luck to continue
  • uniorzeroman25. August 2006, 16:48:38

    Second. Waiting for the next weekly of the Opera. Opera 4EVER!
  • McCoother25. August 2006, 16:54:58

    improving bittorrent would be nice..
  • FataL25. August 2006, 16:58:16

    Wow! Thanks!
    Do experiments?.. on us? :D
  • MadElk25. August 2006, 16:58:43

    Thanks for giving us an update BORG, I think we've all been wondering where the Opera team was hiding :smile:
  • Ramunas25. August 2006, 16:58:48

    No matter what's improved, I want a new weekly. P:
  • remcolanting25. August 2006, 16:59:37

    I'm almost cured from my weekly addiction :frown:
  • Fyrd25. August 2006, 17:05:46

    *gasps* An update!

    Cool, thanks for the news. :smile: Is Apple really much of a competitor? I guess they made Safari, but that statement still sounds kind of odd.
  • Fyrd25. August 2006, 17:13:38

    So, would the experiments be on a forked build, then? And would it be 9.5 or 10, or has that yet to be determined?
  • Tamil25. August 2006, 17:15:32

    :wait:
  • darkuni25. August 2006, 17:18:24

    Can you experiment with us on the concept of allowing us to set the Zoom on a per page basis? That way, CNN.com can be at 180% every time I visit ...

    Enjoy your break, boys. You deserve it. Opera has never been better.
  • S1oan25. August 2006, 17:20:15

    As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy to help you with the tests :D


  • cielkisu25. August 2006, 17:22:01

    :D heh i even check this site once a day, hope that it would be a suprising build at the beginning of next week :smile:
  • kyleabaker25. August 2006, 17:25:41

    experiments are welcoemd here! :D can't wait for an update! i'm so excited now!

    @remcolanting
    I feel that, haha, cept mine was more like daily, or even hourly, lol.
  • FataL25. August 2006, 17:27:11

    Is Apple really much of a competitor?
    They are developing WebKit that can potentially compete with Opera in a future on mobile market, but not this time. :wink:
  • Hades3225. August 2006, 17:31:21

    I love experiments! :D
  • mgillespie25. August 2006, 17:31:33

    Like new things... Experiment away....
  • Fyrd25. August 2006, 17:43:15

    @FataL

    Ah, interesting, I did not know that. :smile:
  • rseiler25. August 2006, 17:47:58

    Here's an idea for this space: Even if you mentioned it in the other thread, pick the ONE bug in 9.01 that you absolutely want fixed in 9.02.

    Hands down, mine is one that's been around since shortly before even 9.00 went final, wherein anything listed in your Transfers window is constantly accessed by Opera for no reason--and I mean after the download is finished. Can't have that, and I now try to use Flashget for downloads just to avoid it. Full details:
    http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/show.dml/384622?cid=2004051

    The only update to that post that I'd make is that the bug is not the only thing behind the brief, occasional pauses seen when typing in Web forms like this one, since they still happen, though maybe not as often with Transfers cleared out (no, AV is not involved, and yes, others have reported it also on the forum).
  • skinnyJM25. August 2006, 18:04:20

    Microsoft and Apple are seen as "competitors" ?,
    BORG, Opera is GREAT, so we need that to be changed to "partners" sometime soon !
    :smile:
  • joshas25. August 2006, 18:08:15

    It's good to hear that weekly builds are back - I missed you guys. Sure hope you'll take a look at wish-list and try to improve some newsgroups and newsfeeds features, not to mention some really minor bugs.
  • FataL25. August 2006, 18:13:46

    @rseiler: It's hard to choose only one :smile:
    My choice as developer is "Animate on Hover" bug. Bug #216355
    Hate jogging bugs. This kind of bugs was in Opera 8 also but was fixed in 9. But Opera 9 have introduced new ones.
    My choice as user is a wrong link selection when using spatial navigation bug. Bug #210669
    All these bugs are regressions from Opera 8.
  • Doliprane25. August 2006, 18:21:07

    Ok waiting for your weeklies :D
  • Fyrd25. August 2006, 18:43:48

    Okay, my one bug to fix:
    #219267 - Arrow keys won't select search engine.

    Also there's still multiple focus issues on the Mac that drive me crazy, but I don't have a bug number for that. Ah well.
  • olli25. August 2006, 19:13:45

    Fyrd: Arrow key bug is fixed :-)
  • GT50025. August 2006, 19:29:06

    I've been going crazy without new weekly builds to test out. I was getting this urge to learn C++ and start working on misc projects at SourceForge... :lol:

    Nice to hear that you guys are back on the job. Hope you enjoyed your travels. :wink:

    BTW: I can't wait for these 'experiments'. It sounds like a lot of fun...
  • andresruiz25. August 2006, 19:31:03

    I hope you had a great summer vacations, here in Colombia there's no summer this year, the weather is so cold, buy have been exciting to wait for next builds of Opera and expecting them to be great, like beeing able to use "delivery & read confirmations" in Opera Mail and compatibility in Windows live Mail and Yahoo Mail Beta.

    Tks
  • andresruiz25. August 2006, 19:37:25

    I like experiments on me !! GREAT !! Opera experiments on Opera laboratory rats !! You're the best !!
  • porneL25. August 2006, 19:52:06

    one bug? #220356
    (ah, but I want soo many more! :D)
  • Twilo25. August 2006, 19:54:13

    super thanks :smile:
  • Fyrd25. August 2006, 19:55:19

    @olli

    Has it been fixed in the build you're working on or are you referring to the same "fix" that Borg mentioned last month?

    Because that didn't and still won't work for me, even after a clean install (unless somehow it just wasn't "clean" enough). I see it does seem to work on Windows, just not on my OSX 10.3.9 machine.
  • operafan200625. August 2006, 20:12:44

    I would like you to experiment on these:

    1. Improved rendering of videos from many sites reported in the forums. These have issues alomost everyday.
    2. Please include few buttons by default like home button(although you have start bar), reload every,back/forward with little drop down list option(rather than waiting for the user to learn how to hold on and get the list). These things will make opera friendly for new users.

    3. Again, right click rename, rearrange bookmarks like IE does.


    I know these are discussed like millions of other things in forums. But my last attempt to make you understand the improtance of these so that a new user feel home just after switching from IE or anyother browser.

    Sorry, for posting things here.
  • asz25. August 2006, 20:16:11

    It's great you folks attended Apple WWDC. What I'd really, really like to see in Opera for Mac is better integration with certain existing Mac OS services instead of duplicating their functionality. Most notably:

    - use Keychain API for storing passwords (or at least, meaningfully integrate with it)
    - use Address Book for contacts (or at least, meaningfully integrate with it)
  • Nemok25. August 2006, 20:20:12

    Has anyone have problems with google videos (video.google.com)?
    The video flash component doesn't show up. This problem occurs very often (not every time).
    I don't know right now what causes it.
  • underman25. August 2006, 20:29:30

    @rseiler: thanks, i had problems similar to what you described and seeing your post reminded me oh that, so i tried your solution and things seems to go smoother now... =)

    One bug i would like to see fixed is the login problem on forums (like vbulletin). Cookies are enabled, and the login is fine, but very often (not always), when i quit the website and log again, i see that i still need to log in, it's really annoying =(
    (luckily the wand is here).
    I don't remember having this problem on 9.00

    Also another thing would be to have the option in "preferences" to decide whether you want to use opera as a bittorrent client or not.
    I don't think that the majority of users know about "opera:config" (where it's possible to disable it), otherwise it forces the user to do a right-click on the torrent and save it. (which is not always possible on some torrent sites as it just gives some html file to save).

    Best regards.
  • SiMcarD25. August 2006, 20:43:17

    Sorry guys, but for me it's would be better to fix the actual bugs (there're many..) then add anothers features.
  • shoover25. August 2006, 20:59:34

    The Experiment:

    I think the experiment is to see how the user community responds when the Opera guys go quiet for three weeks. :-P

    @FataL, @Fyrd, @porneL -- How do you guys remember the bug numbers you're interested in? Do you just keep all of the "thank you for submitting bug number 123456" emails?
  • rseiler25. August 2006, 21:27:56

    @porneL: Yes, #220356!

    What's that one again?
  • olli25. August 2006, 21:31:09

    SiMcarD: Who said we were not working on fixing bugs?
  • mrd25. August 2006, 21:34:08

    Funny. The lab rats are going "Woohoo! Can't wait for you to experiment on me!"

    And allow me to join the rat chorus. Woohoo!

    :D
  • danielcs25. August 2006, 21:39:07

    Nice, I just hope those Microsoft devs have learned something from you guys. :up:
  • FataL25. August 2006, 21:52:27

    Originally posted by shoover:

    How do you guys remember the bug numbers you're interested in? Do you just keep all of the "thank you for submitting bug number 123456" emails?
    It would be really helpful if bug tracking system send e-mail confirmation, but unfortunatelly it's not.
    I use Google to search my.opera.com/desktopteam where I usually post bug numbers. :wink:

    Originally posted by borg:

    we may also try out a couple of experiments on you
    Open bug tracking system? :D
  • rseiler25. August 2006, 22:36:57

    @FataL: Using your cue, I Googled your mysterious #220356 bug (Fatal 220356), and there it was at #1. I can sense that the subject makes you uncomfortable, but if you permit me a comment or two, I have to agree that it's a whopper of a problem. Stunning, in fact. It saddens me that Opera could trigger such an event, but what's done is done. Don't you think it's time to let go?

    http://www.melissadata.com/LookUps/CountyAccidents.asp?State=22&Year=2004&StCase=220356
  • dafalias25. August 2006, 22:50:45

    Hey BORG,
    if You want to experiment on me with cybernetic implants, making my skin greenish and a laser pointer over my eye, be my guest.
    We are all geeks here, You know what I mean.
  • FataL25. August 2006, 22:51:37

    @rseiler: what are you talking about? :smile: 220356 not mine. And I can't find anything about it on Opera site.
  • Stevie125. August 2006, 22:52:50

    thats just perfect, weeeeeeee
    I LOVE OPERA!!!!!!
  • rseiler25. August 2006, 23:12:48

    @FataL: Foiled again! Ah, it was just too perfect. You should have filed that one, not porneL.
  • Darken26. August 2006, 01:51:52

    Same here >> Waiting for the next weekly of the Opera. :up: :D
  • LucasVB26. August 2006, 02:02:17

    Remember to bring back the widget tab and lime\yellow highlights!

    I'm excited about these experiments. Hope it's good stuff :D
  • e2mtt26. August 2006, 03:01:48

    OK, as long as you are promising some experiments, I have an idea for you.

    I like using keyboard shortcuts and launchers, and I came up with a great idea for Opera.

    There should be a hotkey that opens a input box. When you begin to type, Opera would parse through bookmarks, open tabs, most popular & recent history pages, mailboxes, saved mail filters, notes, special pages, and anything else that was related to your Opera experience. Relevant choices would be narrowed down as you typed more, and common items would move to the top. Tab would scroll through the choices, (although it should continue to accept text input regardless of what item was tab selected) and enter would open. Choosing the name of a panel (mail, contacts, link, etc.) would open and focus that panel. Choosing the name of a saved mail view or feed would open it in a window. Choosing a bookmark or a recent URL would of course open that page. The important thing is that EVERY part of Opera would be reachable from this one central point. A simple shortcut key would be needed, like CTRL+SHIFT, or a F key.

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Published inDesktop Team blog
DateAugust 25, 2006
Authorborg
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