Hello? Is This Thing On?

March 30, 2010 · by Ruari Ødegaard

Here is a new snapshot. As you will see from the changelog it only includes Core fixes, so if you are awaiting a specific platform or interface bug to be fixed, then this is not the snapshot that will resolve your specific issue. However, it does fix several bugs relating to connection issues, and although the list of bug fixes is not long it should fix a number of seemingly unrelated networking problems (including the dreaded "Waiting for DNS" issue). So if you were having connection issues then this is the build you have been waiting for.

Feedback about connection issues, is particularly welcomed.

Known Issues

Mac
- Some stability problems on PPC
- Fonts may be cut off when scrolling
- Crash when using Opera Standard Skin (the default Mac Native is OK)
- Crashlogger doesn’t work for OS 10.4 ‘Tiger’
UNIX
- Several font problems still remain
- Language input issues
- No KDE integration
- Black drop down menus for some KDE3 users
- Some command line options don't work
- No PPC builds (this time)

WARNING: This is a development snapshot: it contains the latest changes, but may also have severe known issues, including crashes and data loss situations. In fact, it may not work at all.

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Changelog
Core

Fixed CORE-23591 (sending HEAD requests for non-resolvable domain name forever)
Fixed CORE-28588 (Network problem when using proxy)
Fixed CORE-28805 (Opera crashes on page unloading)
Fixed CORE-28837 (console.info is missing so pages using it doesn't load)

Readers' comments

Comments left by My Opera members under the original post: the first 50, as archived.

Daniel James Hendrycks30. March 2010, 12:07
Should those caching issues be fixed in this one? (For me it does not seem like it)
Haavard30. March 2010, 12:22
Note: Due to the huge amount of comments we are getting, please think twice before posting yours. Ask yourself these questions:

1. Is my comment directly relevant to this snapshot?
2. Am I actually adding something new, or am I just repeating things that have already been said (including in previous snapshots)?
3. Is my comment brief, and yet descriptive?
4. Will it be possible for other people to understand what I'm referring to?
5. Is it a request of some kind? If so, it should be posted in the wish-list forum, not here.

For general discussions, please use the forums.

We simply cannot keep up with the amount of comments that are flowing in at the moment, and that is causing problems for everyone. If we can't go through the feedback, we may miss things, and that is not in anyone's interest. We may have to evaluate a new approach to limit the amount of comments if the current system doesn't work.
Olli30. March 2010, 12:34
Somehow both, Safari AND Opera have become slower on peacekeeper since the update on 10.6.3. But this build is now again faster than Opera, although 307 was faster on 10.6.2...of course I'm speaking of the mac version
Fluxid30. March 2010, 12:42
Two things:
1. I'd like to scroll tab toolbar with scroll wheel. I have tabs on the left, and even that doesn't help with many tabs when working on something (~40 pages), the last ones are unreachable
2. I think rendering is horribly slow on ATI closed source binary drivers on Linux x86-64, but I can't switch to open-source drivers now and verify this, so no bug ticket for now.
Elsyium10030. March 2010, 12:53

The underlined part of the menu (Deskbar) was drowned in the panel. (Standard skin)

P.S. Sorry for bad english.
Artyom30. March 2010, 12:54
Wonder how to open dragonfly in these new snapshots?

Enyone?
Дмитрий Литвин30. March 2010, 12:55
It finally loads pages till the end, without problems!!! I don't believe it

Thank you guys
Arguggi30. March 2010, 12:58
Still having strange tab bar issues when i open and close videogames like Cod4:

http://files.myopera.com/Arguggi/albums/2633151/VistaBasicBug.jpg

(DSK-284676)

Vista Basic SP2 32
Patkos Csaba30. March 2010, 13:02
Originally posted by artyomszasa:

Wonder how to open dragonfly in these new snapshots?

It seems like the shortcut is broken, I even changed it to something else ... it still doesn't open. The only way I could open it is enable menu -> tools -> advanced option -> opera dragonly
berend ytsma30. March 2010, 13:04
Originally posted by patkoscsaba:

Originally posted by artyomszasa:

Wonder how to open dragonfly in these new snapshots?

It seems like the shortcut is broken, I even changed it to something else ... it still doesn't open. The only I could open it is enable menu -> tools -> advande option -> opera dragonly

Just use inspect element in the right click menu on an page or goto.
Page -> developer tools and select Opera Dragonfly

It easy
(sorry Haavard not really on topic)
Tomasz Maciejewski30. March 2010, 13:08
Thank you! It looks much better in GNOME now!
Sandolf30. March 2010, 13:14

When I start Opera after a restart of the computer everything fully reloads. If I close Opera, use Piriforms CCleaner and start Opera again a lot of sites aren't able to reload until the end:
From 35 pages 13 corrupted while reloading!

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6476/operafehlermeldung4.png

WinXP SP3, 512 MB, 3,4Ghz, Geforce NV 197.13 WHQL, Opera Build 3338
Artyom30. March 2010, 13:15
Originally posted by ytsmabeer:

Just use inspect element in the right click menu on an page or goto.

Page -> developer tools and select Opera Dragonfly

In windows there is such option, but no such option in linux (at least gnome version)....
netlord30. March 2010, 13:21
hi

* if i press f2 to open the adress bar it lookes quite good.
in the moment i press a button on the keyboard the last input appears and i cant enter what i want.

i use opera build 6273 on ubuntu 64 bit.

can anyone else confirm this?
Patkos Csaba30. March 2010, 13:23
Originally posted by artyomszasa:

Originally posted by ytsmabeer:

Just use inspect element in the right click menu on an page or goto.

Page -> developer tools and select Opera Dragonfly

In windows there is such option, but no such option in linux (at least gnome version)....

It is! I am looking at it right now! Click on the "O" menu, the second element is Page, than in the next menu the last one is Developer Tools, and yes, Opera Dragonfly is there, with other very useful page inspection tools. If you have menu enabled, do as I said a few comments back.
NEOAethyr30. March 2010, 13:23
The installer worked better then the previous build, the msi one.
The only error I came across that it could not create the shortcut opera.lnk, or whatever it said lol...
But it worked much much better then before so it's good to me.

As for the connections issues, I'm sorry to report that the probs are still around, and I think it's even worse then before just a tiny bit.
I was able to verify right away just by trying to login into myspace.
There's other tests but that one is pretty good at it, for the moment.

Edit:
Oh and btw I tested without a proxy.
Working great with a proxy though...
Though it was loading very oddly.
In a diff order then before, I know opera runs diff now depending on what I ran in it 1st, and so on.

I noticed it was increasing the elements like normal, but then decreasing then off and on.
After a bit it got more elements then ever before and finished loading the page.
Well, close enough lmao, I'll post a pic showing you.
With a proxy.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/2456/13663041.jpg

That's as far as it got.
Note I tried twice before hand.
Cleared cache, then refreshed page, then cleared cache, went here to post, then edited and tried again to the side with the proxy enabled this time....

So it's better, not worse.
But it differs from one run to the next (leak?).
It's not fixed though.
But it's an improvement.

Thanks for trying .
z0rc30. March 2010, 13:24
@Haavard
Maybe it's time for new more open to users bugtracker? Something with simple search functions. Allow people to track their reported issues. This will dramatically decrease amount of duplicate or often reported bugs. Users should know that the developers team is aware about reported issues and the developers are doing something about bug (closed, confirmed, wip etc.). That's all.
Patkos Csaba30. March 2010, 13:25
Originally posted by netlord:

* if i press f2 to open the adress bar it lookes quite good.

in the moment i press a button on the keyboard the last input appears and i cant enter what i want.

i use opera build 6273 on ubuntu 64 bit.

can anyone else confirm this?

Working perfectly here same build, also 64bits, Mandriva 2010.0
Haavard30. March 2010, 13:28
Originally posted by z0rc:

Maybe it's time for new more open to users bugtracker?
My comment was about comments in this blog, not about bug reports through the Bug Wizard. But this is off-topic.
NEOAethyr30. March 2010, 13:34
Please check my edit in my above post Haavard .
sleepyhead30. March 2010, 13:35
I dunno how reliable the Sputnik test is, but this build failed 81 tests (6 more than the last builds
rdsu30. March 2010, 13:36
I'm behind a proxy, and only after +/- 15min I can login in Opera Link.

Opera should auto-login this at startup...
jmanlives30. March 2010, 13:39
Mac multitouch trackpad is and Command + T seem to malfunction at random. Works again if I restart the browser. Weird! OH, I miss Opera Mail. :/
Artyom30. March 2010, 13:41
2patkoscsaba: It works indeed! Thank you
Martin Larsson30. March 2010, 13:42
@Haavard - posting a crashlist again as i thought it might help getting submitted crash logs from Unix/linux & macs aswell?
If not, please feel free to remove this post
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click one of the tractors thumbnail
http://www.expressz.hu/auto/haszongepjarmu/mezogazdasagi/hirdetes-19042047/
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UPDATE:
Theese 3 crashes only happens with Flash player 10.1 beta 3 (10.1.51.95)
Works fine with latest stable 10.0.45.2 :

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Click About in menu
http://elliegoulding.co.uk/
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crash when the first video (omnisport.tv videobox on the right side) is finished playing
http://www.ojogo.pt/
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Click to play video
http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_tech/~3/udgl7Ni_nNM/index.html
hk3dom30. March 2010, 13:43
this version is lower than chrome.
http://j.imagehost.org/0935/3338.png
rynunes30. March 2010, 13:47
Proxy without http 1.1 seems to work fine for me now. Various sites now run just as fast as without using a proxy. You sure myspace just wasn't having an issue at the time? Did you try other sites? Currently connecting to a squid proxy running 3.0-19 fwiw.

Also for the love of god people read the Operas comments.. NO GUI fixes in the snapshot so stop saying "still isn't fixed"
lost.lad30. March 2010, 13:51
Proxy issues seem to be resolved for me.

What is the likely hood of windows domain authentication being integrated into Opera 10.* or ever for that matter? (So I do not have to enter username password for proxy)
zoquete30. March 2010, 13:53
I see big redraw problems on pages with a flash window. is this something I should file in the bug wizard? keyboards shortcuts work again at the same type of pages.
Patkos Csaba30. March 2010, 13:56
This build is freezing very-very often ... this freezing problem started 3 builds ago, as I commented. First it happened only after some browsing on slashdot, in the previous build it became worse, freeze on other pages too, and now, I had to write this comment 3 times before posting because Opera crashed twice in this few minutes.
I also needed about 5 restarts of Opera to watch this:
http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_tech/~3/udgl7Ni_nNM/index.html
NOTE: cnn.com page was working perfectly before.

Can anyone confirm this frequent crashes?
May this problem be because I didn't started these few builds with clear profile (I kept my profile from previous snapshots, because I am tired of remaking all the font settings each time ... and setting up mail each time).
Stilezy30. March 2010, 13:57
This snapshot has not yet fixed the "part loading of pages" bug. After clearing cache, Opera 3338 still doesn't fully load some pages. IE and other browsers on the same computer and same time do fully load the same pages. If it has made an improvement - that will be seen in a few days.
adioni30. March 2010, 13:59
These recent builds are suppose to be fully compatible with the Zimbra webmail system correct? If so, I'm experiencing issues. When I go to the Calendar tab, click new appointment, and if I then cancel the creating of the appointment...I am brought back to my calendar view, however opera then freezes and/or crashes.

Also in the email view, sometimes clicking on random emails in my inbox does not show the contents in the pane below it. I have to click on another email and then click back to the original email to see its contents
NEOAethyr30. March 2010, 14:06
Originally posted by rynunes:

You sure myspace just wasn't having an issue at the time? Did you try other sites?

Yes other sites, like yahoo mail are working so far.
Previous build I had troubles with yahoo mail sometimes.

But I did verify that in v10.10 I'm still able to fully login to myspace with no probs, just checked.
And no matter how many times I try I can't get it to fully load in this build.
It gets stuck on both the dns cookie confirmation msg and the req completed msg.

Loading is more consistant when I clear the cache and do a fresh run of opera.
It differs each time I load the page when it's allready been running, even after clearing the cache.
It also seems slightly more consistant with a proxy enabled then without, but not much.

I'm glad other are reporting the probs with crashes after flash video's have played, and images not loading all the way.
The images one, I've seen that on big images, around a meg in size, will load about 20% or so, then stop drawing, until fully loaded.
But other then that I haven't seen any real image loading issues in these builds.

But the flash crash thing, I've seen crashes on the previous build.
Maybe with enough info they can track that problem down, I haven't been able to find a video that crashes every time I run it.
Rijk30. March 2010, 14:21
Originally posted by zoquete:

I see big redraw problems on pages with a flash window. is this something I should file in the bug wizard?
No, that is a known issue after going fullscreen and back. Hopefully we get a fix to you soon.

Originally posted by zoquete:

Originally posted by Vygantas:
When removing opera menu icon, it reappears after browser restart

disable the toolbar in preferences, don't just remove the icon.
Right, but I think there is a bug here, in that it *appears* to work until a restart.
Rijk30. March 2010, 14:26
Originally posted by z0rc:

I just wanted to say, that comments in this blog may be split on two categories: first one is some common "Thank you" messages, and second is actually a some kind of bugreports.
Read the FAQ please - wishlist items, feature requests, repeats of minor issues mentioned already for earlier snapshots, etc, are not helpful. As Haavard said, this can drown out reports of real regressions we want to catch. And this kind of meta-discussion we are now having is not helpful either, so I'll stop now.
Patkos Csaba30. March 2010, 14:27
Originally posted by Stilezy:

@ patkoscsaba - use OSIE to back up all settings, then wipe everything of Opera, clean install it, and re-import them.

OK, I did it ... Opera froze immediately on the first run, with NO profile at all ...

Right now I restored my previous saved profile, and I just found out that Opera Link is not working??? It says all right and bright, but no bookmarks or speeddial downloaded ... OK, I take that back ... after about 10 minutes notes and bookmarks are back ... but still no speeddial.

No crash in the last 10 minutes, so this is a step forward, I hope it will be good, or at least better.
dupel30. March 2010, 14:27
Had only one "dns" issues sofar. xtube.com, if it helps.

1) Deleted all cookies (site related, not all from all sites).

2) Deleted cashe.

It didnt fix the issue.
NEOAethyr30. March 2010, 14:39
Originally posted by Rijk:

Right, but I think there is a bug here, in that it *appears* to work until a restart.

Here's another that's been around for a while, I think it's in v10.10 too.
Right side of screen, tab bar, opera button.
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/9160/23104194.jpg

After I removed the opera button form the tab bar toolbar.
Note the empty toolbar that is keeping the tab's from reaching the top of it's main toolbar.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9287/55148590.jpg

Highlight of the hidden toolbar in ?.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/8615/63974501.jpg

After going from top to off for that toolbar.
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/4475/79552970.jpg

After restart, it's all back to where it was on the 1st pic if I have the tab bar toolbar in view on the right side of the screen.

Perhaps it's allmost time to add support in the gui for the tail and header toolbars of each main toolbar...
As a check box.

Imgshack is another site I've having probs loading, not allways a prob, about 50/50.
Even got a gateway timeout error page from opera.
Which I thaught was odd, for one I've never seen it before, and 2, I wasn't waiting that long after a upload for any sort of timeout to happen.
McKee Sloan30. March 2010, 14:40
Hi. This is my first post on any Opera website, I think. I've been using it for a long time and I gotta say, you guys do an excellent job.

I've a question about the recent snapshots, though: is there a way to make it so that the O button (the one that opens the menu) does not reappear every time I open the browser? I know I can put on the menu view, but I'd rather it just not be there all together.

I know this doesn't have anything to do with the fixes today and I know that it wasn't claimed to be fixed; I was going to put it in the last snapshot's comments but they were way too long.

[Edit:]

Wow. I swear I searched for the answer to this through every page of the last one and through the first comments of this one...and then, right before posting about it, someone else says something. Sorry. :-(
rynunes30. March 2010, 14:44
Havent seen any crashes yet. I also went to your link and had no issues playing the video.. I did a fresh install of 10.50 upgrade to 10.51 and upgrade to latest snapshot.
rynunes30. March 2010, 14:54
Seems like many of you are having problems with flash related content and opera. Have you updated your flash at all? Running latest version here and sites mentioned about such as cnn I have no crashes...
Rijk30. March 2010, 14:58
Originally posted by NEOAethyr:

After restart, it's all back to where it was on the 1st pic if I have the tab bar toolbar in view on the right side of the screen.
That's not happening for me - if you set the tab 'head' toolbar (that contains the O menu button) to 'off', it doesn't return after a restart, no matter if the Tab bar itself gets repositioned. Remember to press 'OK' in the Appearance dialog BTW. The menu button will only return again if you disable the main menu.
simexi30. March 2010, 15:03
nice, this fixed menubar dropdown problem.
Varun30. March 2010, 15:06
Originally posted by dupel:

1) Deleted all cookies (site related, not all from all sites).
2) Deleted cashe.
It didnt fix the issue.

Confirmed.

I also cleaned Cache, History, Cookies, Temp cookies. Then on starting Opera with 10 tabs "DNS issue" was still present. On 4 tabs out of 10 on first few start of this build.

So its present just like before maybe intensity and behavior is less or changed, Lets see further what happens.
MrGalaxy30. March 2010, 15:08
It [new Opera] seems to be more fast, but this is not fixed:

[img]http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1616/opera25.png
NEOAethyr30. March 2010, 15:11
Originally posted by Rijk:

That's not happening for me

You're right, my bad.
It used to happen.
I just checked and it's still gone so it must of been fixed some time ago, lol I should of checked...
Sorry about that.
operapryanik30. March 2010, 15:18
+ ~1000 points !

http://clients.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=3070

core E8400 (up 4 Ghz)
Martin30. March 2010, 15:20
As you asked for feedback on connection problems... here is my PC trying to open Wilders, I believe an image is worth more than my words...

http://files.myopera.com/Mastermind1/files/DNS%20cookie%20problem.PNG

1.57 minutes and NOTHING, a blank page.
Martin Larsson30. March 2010, 15:21
Originally posted by rynunes:

Seems like many of you are having problems with flash related content and opera. Have you updated your flash at all? Running latest version here and sites mentioned about such as cnn I have no crashes...

Actually i had to downgrade from Flash player 10.1 beta 3 (10.1.51.95)
to latest stable 10.0.45.2
Updated my post above...

Do you get a crash at the expressz.hu example?
Егор30. March 2010, 15:47
Originally posted by hk3dom:

this version is lower than chrome.
http://j.imagehost.org/0935/3338.png

It lower on my system too [CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6750 GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT]. google wins ~600 point from Opera and rocks in data tests.
http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/results.action?key=2eKS

Sorry for offtop