Update on hardware acceleration in Opera 12

Readers' comments

Comments left by My Opera members under the original post: the first 50, as archived.

• KilokilozaFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:30:58

  YAY ! Another... thank you.
  
  Testing

• ruamanFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:33:06

  Thank you. Testing...

• Joonas LehtolahtigodjonezFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:37:34

  With Direct3D 10.1 (Level 10.0) backend the rendering is off at places. Some fonts in the interface and websites are different and some inline images on websites are clipped, for example the subforum links at http://forums.eventscripts.com/index.php

• Ruarí ØdegaardruarioFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:41:14

  Originally posted by godjonez:

  With Direct3D 10.1 (Level 10.0) backend the rendering is off at places. Some fonts in the interface and websites are different and some inline images on websites are clipped, for example the subforum links at http://forums.eventscripts.com/index.php

  
  It would be helpful to know your Windows version, details of your card (and the drivers you are using), along with a screenshot. As these types of bugs are often very specific to the setup of your machine.
  
  Also a reminder to all. We would prefer links to screenshots. Don't post them inline as it slows page loading for everyone.

• bachokochoFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:51:47

  Hmm, let's test it with my fossil 8600gt

• SaperRFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:53:06

  Issue with button:active
  
  button:active {
  border: 1px solid blue;
  }
  
  In Opera, when I click on the button the first color is black ;/
  Example: http://dabblet.com/result/gist/1934834/fa125fe5e9b3afe094712f88b5ef0520349e57f0

• sluwreacFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:53:07

  
  
  
  
  in opera 10.10 there are no these BUGS
  
  DSK-359595, DSK-359597
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc-s2nCzjQs&feature=youtu.be

• minhoFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:53:34

  God work, guys! Testing.

• AvolaFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:53:36

  I was hoping this snapshot would fix a lot of the problems I was having with previous 64 bit builds. But I still get plugin crashes on Youtube (less frequent though), when I load the Youtube front page from speed dial I can't click anything and shortcuts don't work, Opera still hangs very often when loading pages or playing videos, videos often reload themselves a few times before playing. Also noticed some visual glitches, like the My Opera bar at the top of the page was yellow and pink for a while, and capital W's on this page look odd like they are slightly transparent or something.
  Windows 7 x64
  HWA and WebGL turned on
  ATI Radeon HD 3800 series with latest drivers.
  Latest stable Flash
  

• MaximSailorMaxFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:53:48

  opera:gpu = Direct3D 10, Backend not supported, Could not load library
  
  Do you use minimum DirectX 10? Windows XP will not support Hardware acceleration?

• Alexeyalex-shpakFreitag, 20. April 2012 12:58:15

  Originally posted by godjonez:

  subforum links at http://forums.eventscripts.com/index.php

  
  Using DirectX for font rendering is a bit different than using OpenGL, so here we are closer to Internet Explorer than to Firefox or Chrome. For example, in this case site is using 5 space symbols to make place for image, and spaces in DirectX and OpenGL have different width.
  
  In future we might make an opera:config option to let you choose preferred backend: DirectX or OpenGL.
  

• pursanovdFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:00:46

  Constant crashes here with HWA enabled.
  Windows 7 x64, x64 build, geforce gt 230.

• Swapnil RustagiSwapnil99proFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:00:50

  Originally posted by SailorMax:

  opera:gpu = Direct3D 10, Backend not supported, Could not load library

  
  Same here.
  

  Originally posted by SailorMax:

  Do you use minimum DirectX 10? Windows XP will not support Hardware acceleration?

  
  If they do not support full HWA on Windows XP (by which I mean supporting Direct3D 9 as a full acceleration backed) - then they just can't keep up with their own words.

• MaximSailorMaxFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:06:37

  Originally posted by Swapnil99pro:

  If they do not support full HWA on Windows XP (by which I mean supporting Direct3D 9 as a full acceleration backed) - then they just can't keep up with their own words.

  
  The challenge is ambitious. This is normal, if not all will be able to implement

• shanehFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:11:11

  Still can't drag-to-scroll in google maps. Still opens a new tab for links/images that are slightly dragged.

• Swapnil RustagiSwapnil99proFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:11:16

  Originally posted by SailorMax:

  The challenge is ambitious.

  
  Then why did they take it in the first place? You know, I have been patiently waiting for Direct3D 9 acceleration since an year - so my Windows 7 computer (the graphics card only supports DirectX 9) with Opera can beat the competition browsers.

• wannadanceFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:12:35

  In flash chats words get glassy ( using the basic skin ! )
  Try it on here :http://www.123flashchat.com/demo.html

• HPearcehpearceFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:13:51

  Email on the 64bit bit continue to crash Opera when attempting retreivals making it unusable as my browser .... 32bit works ok .... this is the 4th build at least

• DzsiniFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:15:12

  Windows 7 x64, 64 bit build, Mobile Radeon HD 5650 (Supported in both DX and GL), crashes at start if HW acceleration is enabled with and without WebGL, worked fine in the last build.

• Szőts Ákosszotsaki2Freitag, 20. April 2012 13:24:13

  Thank you for this build.
  
  I tested this version under Linux x64 on the page http://www.theverge.com/ (seen on Why does Opera scrolling sucks? and Horrible Opera Scrolling Performance? No Fix In Sight).
  
  I'm sad this build also not changed anything. Turning HWA on makes the whole thing even worse.
  
  I'm really happy that there's a big group of people who are keen to use their webcamera, microphone etc. on the websites, but besides, please don't forget about us, those who just want to browse a web page smoothly in 2012.

• ArsenytarcFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:26:00

  ah… I have no hardware acceliration due your buggy blocklist!
  I have MacBook Pro earlier 2011 and AMD Radeon HD 6490M OpenGL Engine. Previous builds give enough FPS with 3d rendering…
  
  
  Flash works better.
  
  …switching back to previous build…
  
  

• nimu_channimuchanFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:28:39

  Thank you very much!!

• FavDjiXasFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:29:34

  Can anyone confirm that the disappearing Internet connection issue has been solved?
  
  Thanks

• minhoFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:29:37

  NSL here (xxx content)
  http://www.banca-de-revista.com/
  
  Ubuntu 12.04 beta 2, amd64

• Sk0lFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:31:20

  Problems when rendering some fonts in www.globo.com
  
  Screnshot: http://s18.postimage.org/rkgp5gvbr/bug_fonts_1380.png
  
  
  And if you pay attention to the tab name you will notice something weird.
  
  Opera x64, Win 7 x64, HWA enabled, Graphics backend: Direct3D 10.1 (Level 10.0)
  
  GPU: Radeon 6870, Vendor id: 0x1002, Device id: 0x6738, Driver version: 8.17.10.1107

• earth01Freitag, 20. April 2012 13:35:05

  Could we have an option to choose OpenGL instead of DirectX please ?

• ll3moFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:36:25

  This is an incredibile step forward here.
  Hwa was really slow on w7 and not working on w8cp (same notebook). With directx hwa, all is working nice. There is some lag problem on gmail, on window resizing and on tab preview, but its so much better than previous hwa.
  Flash seems to be more stable too.
  Only one thing: address bar seems dont scale with skin icon dimension percentual.
  
  By the way thank you so much for this work! Cheers!
  (nvidia geforce 9600M GT, driver 296.17, windows 8 cp x64, x64 build)

• Ayrton Nádgelayrtonnadgel92Freitag, 20. April 2012 13:36:36

  Thanks..

• earth01Freitag, 20. April 2012 13:39:15

  Often freezes when deleting private data. W7x64

• morbitFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:39:17

  NSL after enabling WebGL and h.accel. Crashes upon closing. FreeBSD amd64, 9-STABLE Intel GM45 + KMS patches.

• dityanaoanFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:39:53

  Youtube inbox page, non stop loading problem. Using HW accel (DirextX) and Webgl.
  
  Opera x64, Windows 7 x64, ATi Radeon HD4850 Driver version 8.17.10.1119

• Ad von Reekena3anoFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:40:25

  Analog "Silver" Clock widget does not show any more. Worked OK in previous build 1360.
  It is started (as can be seen in Task Manager).
  No difference before and after re-install.
  
  
  Other clock widget (Analog Clock) does show up.
  
  Windows XP, this build 1380
  HWA and WebGL both disabled.
  Vega backend
  Software

• Daned4n3Freitag, 20. April 2012 13:41:21

  Will it be possible to enable WebGL without enabling browser hardware acceleration?
  
  The hardware acceleration was very slow on every machine I've tested (2-3 years old laptops and machines), so I'd like it off, but still keep WebGL support.

• GwenDragonFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:41:55

  Opera 12.00 x64 Windows
  Enabled Hardware accelaration leads to blurred or unsharp characters
  
  Windows 7 Ultimate x64
  NVidia Quadro FX 370
  Driver 295.73
  
  Hardware acceleration Enabled
  Graphics backend Direct3D 10.1 (Level 10.0)
  Direct3D 10
  
  Blocklist version 1.0.5
  Blocklist status for 2D Supported
  Blocklist status for 3D Supported
  
  Graphics hardware and driver details
  Vendor id 0x10de
  Device id 0x040a
  Driver version 8.17.12.9635
  
  OpenGL
  Blocklist version 1.0.5
  Blocklist status for 2D Supported
  Blocklist status for 3D Supported
  
  Graphics hardware and driver details
  GL_VENDOR NVIDIA Corporation
  GL_RENDERER Quadro FX 370/PCIe/SSE2
  GL_VERSION 3.3.0

• earth01Freitag, 20. April 2012 13:43:31

  Originally posted by d4n3:

  Will it be possible to enable WebGL without enabling browser hardware acceleration?

  
  In fact, HA is used for WebGL only in this case.

• ClashCityRockerclashcityrockerFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:48:56

  I think it was the correct decision to disable HWA. There is too much good stuff in Opera 12 to delay it much further.
  
  This release cycle is perhaps the longest I can ever recall.
  
  I just hope that once Opera 12 is out, we the work continues on getting HWA working at full speed.
  
  

• HiramapriorimeisterFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:53:33

  http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4678/captureukm.jpg http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/3773/capture2g.jpg These are just two examples of page rendering gone wrong and I've got plenty more where that came from. I've also been experiencing all manner of UI issues that for some reason or another don't appear in the screenshots that I attempt to capture them in. Also, as many before me have mentioned, the scrolling performance in many sites is absolutely atrocious - theverge.com being a particularly good example of such behavior. I've also noticed a plethora of flash issues.
  
  Opera: 64bit
  Hardware acceleration: Enabled
  Graphics backend: Direct3D 10.1 (Level 10.0)
  OS: Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit.
  GPU: Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS 512 Driver version: 301.24 (Beta)
  Flash Player: 64bit 11,3,300,231
  
  P.S
  What's up with this blatant marketing lie? http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/7461/72949916.jpg The screenshots was taken from here: http://www.opera.com/browser/features/#speed

• MichałEmdekFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:53:47

  Good move with disabling HWA by default, though maybe it would be good idea to show once a dialog asking user to enable it?
  Also, I would consider enabling WebGL by default, as HWA caused some issues for me but WebGL alone always works fine. :-)

• Victor GrischenkovgrischenkoFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:54:44

  There is strange bug with this build:
  If hardware acceleration disabled the tab's panel has black background and "ghosts" of old tab's places.
  
  
  If hardware acceleration enabled the tab's panel background is completely transparent:
  
  
  If I switch from Standard skin to Opera Unix Skins background becomes normal.
  
  By box is
  OpenSUSE 12.1 x86_64
  KDE 4.8.2
  nVidia GeForce 6100 nForce 430 Driver v. 290.10

• TigTexFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:57:20

  Compared with opera 11.62, websites load much slower (maybe 10x as slow), I randomly have "pure virtual function call" error and the fonts look more blurry here.
  
  Windows 7 x86, T3200, Intel GMA x3100 (aka gm965), 3gb ram. Acer extensa 5620z laptop.
  
  Even with HWA disabled, Opera 11.62 is more stable and faster... I'll keep reporting bugs and using the stable version instead

• Surferz WorldsurferzworldFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:58:55

  Glad to know you are focusing more on Stablity & Regressions. However, I would like to remind you about the glitches which I have mentioned earlier too. Please refer this comment http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2011/10/13/introducing-opera-12-alpha?startidx=200#comment72424842 . I repeat this here again because you are going to release the beta version.
  
  I am facing one more problem with HWA on i.e. my background windows are overlapping with opera-next tab bar. [seems to be an opacity problem in Opera Standard Skin]
  
  

  Originally posted by vgrischenko:

  There is strange bug with this build:If hardware acceleration disabled the tab's panel has black background and "ghosts" of old tab's places.
  If hardware acceleration enabled the tab's panel background is completely transparent:
  

  
  
  I can confirn this. However, it has been happening since previous build.
  
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  Ubuntu 11.10, 64 bit, ATI FirePro 3800 (FireGL) Graphics card, ATI/AMD Proprietary FGLRX graphics driver

• MichałEmdekFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:59:20

  Nice, that regression with zoom reseting to default for new tabs is gone. :-)

• Sk0lFreitag, 20. April 2012 13:59:27

  Blurry fonts
  
  HWA on: http://s13.postimage.org/bxlrh4kv9/blurry_fonts_1380.png
  
  HWA off: http://s13.postimage.org/3qtrpjusl/fontok.png
  
  Opera x64, Win 7 x64, HWA enabled, Graphics backend: Direct3D 10.1 (Level 10.0)
  
  GPU: Radeon 6870, Vendor id: 0x1002, Device id: 0x6738, Driver version: 8.17.10.1107

• XenoAntaresXAntaresFreitag, 20. April 2012 14:01:04

  I can confirm "DSK-361734 BSOD when accessing the Camera" fixed for me.
  
  

  Originally posted by SailorMax:

  opera:gpu = Direct3D 10, Backend not supported, Could not load library
  
  Do you use minimum DirectX 10?

  
  Same her on WinXP/SP3/32bit. Obviously no working DirectX 9 support.
  

• Obese MauriceObeseMauriceFreitag, 20. April 2012 14:08:43

  With Direct3D I don't have problems with choppy scrolling anymore and Opera is very responsive. But ...
  
  1. Problems with rendering some fonts
  
  http://i.imgur.com/feUob.png
  
  2. I get this on many pages (YouTube, imgur, Google, ...). Opera freezes and doesn't load the page correctly and if I then minimize/maximize Opera:
  
  http://i.imgur.com/Qbi2t.png
  
  3. Page rendering problems, colors and stuff:
  
  http://i.imgur.com/wJmny.png
  http://i.imgur.com/bMgJp.png
  
  Win7 x64, Opera 32-bit, Flash 11.2.202.233, GeForce 8800GTS drivers v296.10

• netmainFreitag, 20. April 2012 14:10:18

  thanks for the new build,
  seems less freezy! than the previous one.
  I'm really disappointed for the luck of support of directX 9.0, also my graphic card is supported with chrome's webGL implementation, and works really fine.
  
  Edit: I Forget to mention it's the first time Html5test.com detects the support of WebGL ( 25/25) on my pc on opera. I don't know why? and how ? but it still blocked by your blocklist !!
  
  
  
  
  
  
  bug: opera detects/shows the wrong drivers version.
  
  
  
  win8 cp.
  
  good luck.

• Huib KleinhouthuibkFreitag, 20. April 2012 14:13:08

  For clarification: The DirectX backend requires DirectX 10 (or later). For systems without this, OpenGL will be an alternative.

• MossManFreitag, 20. April 2012 14:13:24

  I CAN CLICK THINGS WHILE STUFF IS LOADING AGAIN! WAHOO!

• OlliOlli91Freitag, 20. April 2012 14:14:25

  So when you want an awesome experience for people on Lion, why don't you put native scrollbars in version 12? Come on!
  
  So the decision is now to let HWA stay in some beta state and ship 12 without enabled HWA...well that's a possibility. Let's see we get this stable enough to be enabled by default during the 12 cycle!

• ahoj1234Freitag, 20. April 2012 14:14:38

  stability heh..,but yes,keep it going.. but Opera still crash on start-up (at 90% and 10% is after a few minutes) when I have set up email acc on M2 with x64 build on x64 machine.. If I use Opera without mails it works good (some problem with lagy scrolling.. and other problems are permanently here,so..)
  mail problem reported as DSK-361671,still here
  scrolling problem reported as DSK-361672,still here so " and should speed up scrolling with plugins significantly." is not true for me or the problem is not with plugins on the web.. edit: yes,some speed increase is probably here,but it is still not as good as I want..
  
  But I have to say.. HWA and WebGL is set on 1 for now (not on 2) and scrolling is smoother but Opera is still not good in scrolling as for example chrome is..
  W7 x64;this build x64;GTS 250,Driver version - 8.17.13.124;Graphics backend - Direct3D 10.1 (Level 10.0);HWA,WebGL set on 1 (sometimes on 2 but as you said Opera is not ready now for HWA anywhere and anytime - set on 2)