Interestingly, Firefox is (not openly) trying to find a way to move away from extensions. They are trying: - "soft extensions" through Jetpack.
From what I can tell, Opera's implementation is closer to Jetpack and Chrome's method of extension.
Harald Simon14. October 2010, 09:03
Finally!
Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome show how it works. Finally, Opera has realized that time has changed.
OK, on my wishlist for Opera Extensions:
1. Adblock Plus for Opera Opera's recent system of ad blocking is horrible and from the last century.
2. Xmarks for Opera In case if they survive. But a cross browser synchronization extension is really urgent! Most people do not work with only one browser, they use MS IE, Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, Opera and Safari - but not only on one single computer. No, they use various machines. So it can't be that difficult: whenever I turn on a computer and login, I will have my bookmarks and passwords no matter what brand of internet browser I am recently using.
Ramkumar Shankar14. October 2010, 09:04
Oh, it's probably been said before...but please try to keep extensions from creating a mess of the UI like in FF (and to a lesser extent Safari). Having said that, the description in the post of how extensions will look like is closer to what's available in Chrome, which is good.
Rodaimos Lacidar14. October 2010, 09:04
Good. That would be a good way for having social networks integrated in Opera
Whinette14. October 2010, 09:09
Noscript fo Opera yay \o/
Artur „Jurgi” Jurgawka14. October 2010, 09:10
A least. To be honest, UserJS can make almost any extension, but APIs and some marketing will make it good.
Vladimyr Ivanov14. October 2010, 09:13
What's the difference between extensions and old good User JS (supplied probably with a custom menu or button)?
Lorenzo Celsi14. October 2010, 09:14
The point is not the GUI (who cares) but the choice between having "widgets" that don't (and can't) add anything really useful to the browser and real "extensions" that EXTEND the browser by adding meaningful features, features you should otherwise hardcode.
The problem is to allow extensions to really extend the browser you must give developers deep integration with the browser. This means the QUALITY of extensions must be the same as the browser itself, otherwise you get performance and security issues. You must supervise to avoid somebody develop an extension that hacks people's system, etc.
Another example: you get "ADBlock" extensions on Chrome but since Chrome doesn't have a "content policy", the control those extensions have on the page content is relatively poor and it translates in making difficult (or impossible) to actually "block" content before loading. Hiding page elements is not the same, despite the clueless user cannot understand it.
kyotocafe14. October 2010, 09:20
I think it is still too early to make full statements, we don't know yet how Opera is going to implement these extensions and test how they work, etc
To me this is good news, it will allow new functionality to the browser that many users will enjoy and consider useful. And of course the people who don't like it will have the option to just not install them.
If I don't like widgets, which is not the case btw, or Unite applications, I just don't install them and that's it. But the option that they are there available to anyone, I think it is a positive one.
Daniel Hendrycks14. October 2010, 09:22
Multi-Process Extensions?
Aleksander Aas14. October 2010, 09:30
Wrapping up a few questions. But before that: Please try to be a little bit more polite in the comments. We are all friends at My Opera
Originally posted by lucaviozzi:
will replace widgets?
no
Originally posted by RedCapShortCut:
I still don't understand what extension means. Is it similar to FireFox's add-ons and/or toolbars?
Yes
Originally posted by Krauti:
But we will see how Opera will handle security in that matter.
I can assure you that we always take security seriously.
Originally posted by soyasama:
Hopefully this will make more people switch to Opera as they usually don't want to leave Firefox because of the so-called extensions
YES, let's get those people converter to Opera!
Originally posted by danger2002:
I use now UserCSS-Adblock, personal UserCSS-hacks for some pages and Flashblock as UserJS extension. And spread the word about ready to use urlfilter.inis.
All these can easily be converted to Extensions if you want to.
Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:
Interestingly, Firefox is (not openly) trying to find a way to move away from extensions.
!Personal opinion! I think this more has to do with the way they gave extension developers to much control. They are not trying to move away from extensions, but trying to move closer to the Chrome solution. Jetpack is a step in that direction. !/Personal opinion!
Originally posted by ObeseMaurice:
Any other news about Opera 11?
Nothing else at the moment. Isn't this enough for one day?
Originally posted by Vladimyr:
What's the difference between extensions and old good User JS (supplied probably with a custom menu or button)?
We will release a working API soon for the details, but any current User JS should be easy to port to an extension if you want to do just that.
Rade Martinović14. October 2010, 09:31
Yay! Great!
withme14. October 2010, 09:32
Will it be possible to make an extension like Flashgot so I could just do two clicks to download a video and choose if I want to download a file using Opera's download manager or an external manager? That's the main reasons why firefox is still installed on my PC.
Pilgrim14. October 2010, 09:34
Bye bye Firefox Opera's good enough as it is, this is the icing on the cake, and whenthey take off we'll see the browser map redrawn, with our help too
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek14. October 2010, 09:36
Take good from Firefox and Chrome, too! Chrome has nice toolbar buttons with number indicators and nice popup menus and Firefox' extensions are really versatile. Looking forward to it!
Niflheim2kx14. October 2010, 09:36
Great News! One more reason to keep Opera as primary browser.
But please fix the buggy MacOS UI! Compared to Windows it's really pain to use Opera under MacOs
Siddhartha14. October 2010, 09:37
will the mail client, torrent client, and stuff like turbo and link become extensions? or do you plan to retain all that functionality in the core?
Anton14. October 2010, 09:37
it's fantastic!
sleepyhead14. October 2010, 09:38
Opera 11 will make the slow and cracking down Firefox obsolete... I like it
Khaled Khalil14. October 2010, 09:39
first off, i want to express my deep gratefulness for your response to users requestss. thank you
second,
Originally posted by EspenAO:
Our alpha release supports injectable JavaScript, callouts, certain UI items and a basic Tabs and Windows API.
"windows api" ? won't it be cross-platform ?
--
@ all those who think that an extension by definition must be a useless bloat and/or a security threat, please don't install any extension on your opera installation, and if possible turn that feature off. opera already present a fine set of hardcoded features that you can depend only on them. thank you for not nagging.
Dillon14. October 2010, 09:40
Originally posted by Khaled-Khalil:
"windows api" ? won't it be cross-platform ?
That's referring to windows as in the things which you can drag around and open or close.
Dillon14. October 2010, 09:43
I'm looking forward to the possibility of BarTab for Opera, making bookmarklet have custom icons, and other stuff!
Gousti Fruit14. October 2010, 09:45
Wow. Just wow.
What does it mean for the browser already included functionalities ? Will Opera continue to develop Torrent/Mail/Widgets/Unite/Sync/Chat/... or is it planned to focus on the bare browser and let people develop similar extensions ?
NorthStar18714. October 2010, 09:52
:3 nice & good job guys <3
Hokkut14. October 2010, 09:52
Extensions! it happens! THANKS!
Eric Blade14. October 2010, 09:54
... I can't really think of anything besides a version of Content Blocker that works more like AdBlock.
Kristian14. October 2010, 09:55
This maybe the rise and fall of Opera Browser...
Dżek14. October 2010, 09:56
this is weird.. some of you are going "hooray" for features like noscript, adblock known from firefox. but do you know Opera have these features already for long time?
i'm worried about extensions - much of them will be made by some random ppl not knowing much about security. memory leaks, crashes, or even some xss / any random crap - this all can be results of having an extensions.
gasara14. October 2010, 09:57
How much control will one have over the behaviour of Opera itself? Say I wanted to make an extension that disabled the check Opera makes for duplicate bookmarks (I want to always be able to make duplicates from the keyboard shortcut and not have the new "A bookmark already exists" Properties window appear). Will this be possible?
sleepyhead14. October 2010, 09:57
Dżek: it's not like you have to use any
KamYuen14. October 2010, 10:01
Will these extensions be portable, i.e be executable when running Opera via USB?
Truss14. October 2010, 10:02
At last!
Kimmo Jaskari14. October 2010, 10:03
Well, in that case, Opera needs to accept that the current way of doing things - integrating everything nice into the browser itself - is wrong. Personally I think it has been an excellent approach, tightly integrated and everything coded well by Opera's professionals, not the Lone Coding Ranger in his basement hooking in directly to the browser with potentially crap code.
Maybe it's time to have an Opera that basically is nothing but a browser window now; minuscule in size and memory footprint, where functionality is added or subtracted as addons. Bookmark addon, UI customization addon, gesture addon, widget addon... maybe have the browser ship with a basic addon package that people can add to or subtract from. If you're heading in that direction anyway...
Werner14. October 2010, 10:06
... i'm not sure "extensions" are a good idea. opera have everything on-board so imho it's not needed. i fear opera 11 will be slower than the previous versions just because those extensions. (same as ff and chrome)
Zephirine14. October 2010, 10:06
Originally posted by Aleksander:
Originally posted by danger2002:
I use now UserCSS-Adblock, personal UserCSS-hacks for some pages and Flashblock as UserJS extension. And spread the word about ready to use urlfilter.inis.
All these can easily be converted to Extensions if you want to.
I have not read all the coments, so I'm sorry if this was aked before, but will the buttons, userjs and so on work as always in Opera 11 or we'll have to use only extensions?
prd314. October 2010, 10:09
Originally posted by Whinette:
Noscript fo Opera
It already has that.
prd314. October 2010, 10:10
Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:
the choice between having "widgets" that don't (and can't) add anything really useful to the browser and real "extensions" that EXTEND the browser by adding meaningful features
Stop trolling.
Widgets are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE EXTENSIONS. Is it that hard to get it through your skull?
Widgets are NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE. Stop comparing widgets and extensions, FFS.
prd314. October 2010, 10:12
Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:
First, advertising Unite as the re-invention of the Web is a bit annoying
Will you quit trolling already? What's with you and your anti-Opera rants? You have been PROVEN WRONG. It has been demonstrated that you haven't a clue what you are talking about. So stop spamming.
prd314. October 2010, 10:17
Originally posted by KristianP:
This maybe the rise and fall of Opera Browser...
This "maybe" (sic) the most useless comment so far. What on earth are you trying to say?
tawhiti14. October 2010, 10:24
More and more bloat ....... I'm sick of it ..... time to move my clients to QT's brilliant qml systems api..... tired of opera pandering to fanboys while totally ignoring what developers actually want....... after all the fanboys have cheered at the latest pointless addition (bloat), best the opera folk check the opera web stats to see if they've moved from their usual close to nothing value.
I find it annoying the endless blogs by opera staff exited by the latest and greatest feature, moving a button here, resizing it or even more pointless extensions that totally hamstring any developer while companies like QT and there qml see what developers really want ..... get your act together opera devs.
prd314. October 2010, 10:36
Originally posted by tawhiti:
More and more bloat
Where?
tired of opera pandering to fanboys while totally ignoring what developers actually want
What kind of developers? Web developers? C++ developers? Java developers? You are not making sense. Do you even know what Opera is?
more pointless extensions that totally hamstring any developer
Huh? More extensions? Opera doesn't have extensions yet.
Are you drunk or something? Or are you a spam bot posting random phrases?
Rafał Rutkowski14. October 2010, 10:38
If M2, torrent, widgets, Unite and so on are moved to extensions, this will be perfect.
lilmoder14. October 2010, 10:43
Today is a good day
Ichann14. October 2010, 10:44
Originally posted by rrutkows:
If M2, torrent, widgets, Unite and so on are moved to extensions, this will be perfect.
I propose a module plugin system.
Where one could simply tick and untick mail, torrent etc to enable/disable them
If any of you have used Agnitums Outpost Pro, you would know what I am talking about
tawhiti14. October 2010, 10:47
Originally posted by prd3:
Huh? More extensions? Opera doesn't have extensions yet.
Yes I know, read the W3C Widget specifications to see what will be added to opera 11
Originally posted by prd3:
What kind of developers? Web developers? C++ developers? Java developers? You are not making sense. Do you even know what Opera is?
Perhaps you need to download qt4.7 and see for yourself what I'm talking about before jumping to conclusion on my state of drunkenness.
Dillon14. October 2010, 09:01
Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:
From what I can tell, Opera's implementation is closer to Jetpack and Chrome's method of extension.
Harald Simon14. October 2010, 09:03
Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome show how it works. Finally, Opera has realized that time has changed.
OK, on my wishlist for Opera Extensions:
1. Adblock Plus for Opera
Opera's recent system of ad blocking is horrible and from the last century.
2. Xmarks for Opera
In case if they survive. But a cross browser synchronization extension is really urgent! Most people do not work with only one browser, they use MS IE, Mozilla Firefox, Google Chrome, Opera and Safari - but not only on one single computer. No, they use various machines. So it can't be that difficult: whenever I turn on a computer and login, I will have my bookmarks and passwords no matter what brand of internet browser I am recently using.
Ramkumar Shankar14. October 2010, 09:04
Rodaimos Lacidar14. October 2010, 09:04
Whinette14. October 2010, 09:09
Artur „Jurgi” Jurgawka14. October 2010, 09:10
To be honest, UserJS can make almost any extension, but APIs and some marketing will make it good.
Vladimyr Ivanov14. October 2010, 09:13
and old good User JS (supplied probably
with a custom menu or button)?
Lorenzo Celsi14. October 2010, 09:14
The problem is to allow extensions to really extend the browser you must give developers deep integration with the browser. This means the QUALITY of extensions must be the same as the browser itself, otherwise you get performance and security issues. You must supervise to avoid somebody develop an extension that hacks people's system, etc.
Another example: you get "ADBlock" extensions on Chrome but since Chrome doesn't have a "content policy", the control those extensions have on the page content is relatively poor and it translates in making difficult (or impossible) to actually "block" content before loading. Hiding page elements is not the same, despite the clueless user cannot understand it.
kyotocafe14. October 2010, 09:20
To me this is good news, it will allow new functionality to the browser that many users will enjoy and consider useful. And of course the people who don't like it will have the option to just not install them.
If I don't like widgets, which is not the case btw, or Unite applications, I just don't install them and that's it. But the option that they are there available to anyone, I think it is a positive one.
Daniel Hendrycks14. October 2010, 09:22
Aleksander Aas14. October 2010, 09:30
Originally posted by lucaviozzi:
no
Originally posted by RedCapShortCut:
Yes
Originally posted by Krauti:
I can assure you that we always take security seriously.
Originally posted by soyasama:
YES, let's get those people converter to Opera!
Originally posted by danger2002:
All these can easily be converted to Extensions if you want to.
Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:
!Personal opinion! I think this more has to do with the way they gave extension developers to much control. They are not trying to move away from extensions, but trying to move closer to the Chrome solution. Jetpack is a step in that direction. !/Personal opinion!
Originally posted by ObeseMaurice:
Nothing else at the moment. Isn't this enough for one day?
Originally posted by Vladimyr:
We will release a working API soon for the details, but any current User JS should be easy to port to an extension if you want to do just that.
Rade Martinović14. October 2010, 09:31
withme14. October 2010, 09:32
Pilgrim14. October 2010, 09:34
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek14. October 2010, 09:36
Niflheim2kx14. October 2010, 09:36
But please fix the buggy MacOS UI! Compared to Windows it's really pain to use Opera under MacOs
Siddhartha14. October 2010, 09:37
Anton14. October 2010, 09:37
sleepyhead14. October 2010, 09:38
Khaled Khalil14. October 2010, 09:39
second,
Originally posted by EspenAO:
"windows api" ? won't it be cross-platform ?
--
@ all those who think that an extension by definition must be a useless bloat and/or a security threat, please don't install any extension on your opera installation, and if possible turn that feature off. opera already present a fine set of hardcoded features that you can depend only on them. thank you for not nagging.
Dillon14. October 2010, 09:40
Originally posted by Khaled-Khalil:
That's referring to windows as in the things which you can drag around and open or close.
Dillon14. October 2010, 09:43
Gousti Fruit14. October 2010, 09:45
What does it mean for the browser already included functionalities ? Will Opera continue to develop Torrent/Mail/Widgets/Unite/Sync/Chat/... or is it planned to focus on the bare browser and let people develop similar extensions ?
NorthStar18714. October 2010, 09:52
Hokkut14. October 2010, 09:52
Eric Blade14. October 2010, 09:54
Kristian14. October 2010, 09:55
Dżek14. October 2010, 09:56
i'm worried about extensions - much of them will be made by some random ppl not knowing much about security. memory leaks, crashes, or even some xss / any random crap - this all can be results of having an extensions.
gasara14. October 2010, 09:57
sleepyhead14. October 2010, 09:57
KamYuen14. October 2010, 10:01
Truss14. October 2010, 10:02
Kimmo Jaskari14. October 2010, 10:03
Maybe it's time to have an Opera that basically is nothing but a browser window now; minuscule in size and memory footprint, where functionality is added or subtracted as addons. Bookmark addon, UI customization addon, gesture addon, widget addon... maybe have the browser ship with a basic addon package that people can add to or subtract from. If you're heading in that direction anyway...
Werner14. October 2010, 10:06
i fear opera 11 will be slower than the previous versions just because those extensions. (same as ff and chrome)
Zephirine14. October 2010, 10:06
Originally posted by Aleksander:
I have not read all the coments, so I'm sorry if this was aked before, but will the buttons, userjs and so on work as always in Opera 11 or we'll have to use only extensions?prd314. October 2010, 10:09
Originally posted by Whinette:
It already has that.
prd314. October 2010, 10:10
Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:
Stop trolling.
Widgets are NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE EXTENSIONS. Is it that hard to get it through your skull?
Widgets are NOT WHAT YOU THINK THEY ARE. Stop comparing widgets and extensions, FFS.
prd314. October 2010, 10:12
Originally posted by LorenzoCelsi:
Will you quit trolling already? What's with you and your anti-Opera rants? You have been PROVEN WRONG. It has been demonstrated that you haven't a clue what you are talking about. So stop spamming.
prd314. October 2010, 10:17
Originally posted by KristianP:
This "maybe" (sic) the most useless comment so far. What on earth are you trying to say?
tawhiti14. October 2010, 10:24
I find it annoying the endless blogs by opera staff exited by the latest and greatest feature, moving a button here, resizing it or even more pointless extensions that totally hamstring any developer while companies like QT and there qml see what developers really want ..... get your act together opera devs.
prd314. October 2010, 10:36
Originally posted by tawhiti:
Where?
What kind of developers? Web developers? C++ developers? Java developers? You are not making sense. Do you even know what Opera is?
Huh? More extensions? Opera doesn't have extensions yet.
Are you drunk or something? Or are you a spam bot posting random phrases?
Rafał Rutkowski14. October 2010, 10:38
lilmoder14. October 2010, 10:43
Ichann14. October 2010, 10:44
Originally posted by rrutkows:
I propose a module plugin system.
Where one could simply tick and untick mail, torrent etc to enable/disable them
If any of you have used Agnitums Outpost Pro, you would know what I am talking about
tawhiti14. October 2010, 10:47
Originally posted by prd3:
Yes I know, read the W3C Widget specifications to see what will be added to opera 11
Originally posted by prd3:
Perhaps you need to download qt4.7 and see for yourself what I'm talking about before jumping to conclusion on my state of drunkenness.
http://qt.nokia.com/
Yowanvista14. October 2010, 10:53
Mark Bryant14. October 2010, 10:56
David14. October 2010, 11:06
Nothing more to say... except maybe: "WebGL?"
Daniel Hendrycks14. October 2010, 11:12
Originally posted by Siddhartha:
I hope BT Client can be removed from Opera and developed by someone who wants it as an extension.
Originally posted by David:
Originally posted by Yowanvista:
And some HW and Opera 11 is good to go! (Wishful thinking)
Obese MauriceThursday, October 14, 2010 11:20:04 AM
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/361936/opera-speeds-up-mobile-adds-extensions-to-pc-browser