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  • TA5KMonday, October 18, 2010 9:07:17 AM

    Hmm, while eating my breakfast I'm thinking about the extensions and their design with different colored environments/skins. :coffee:

    Is it possible to define some colorcodes inside the Skin.ini which every extensions developer could use to get his extention colored the same way as the skin does?

    Will there be a [extentions skin] section?

    :chef:

  • prd3Monday, October 18, 2010 10:05:44 AM

    Originally posted by teetime:

    And I said that you can't prove in either way that they do or don't affect Opera.


    Actually, I can, because you can observe that even today. They run as separate processes and don't interact with the browser, remember? Oh, I forgot, you have no idea how Opera works :lol:

    Originally posted by teetime:

    So? I questioned your assertion about widgets.


    It was not an assertion, but rather an observation. As your cluelessness hides from you, widgets are not part of the browser. They run separately, as separate processes. In other words, they don't affect the browser itself.

    So we know that running widgets does not affect the performance of the browser, we know that widgets and extensions use the same packaging, and we know that Opera Software officially stated that extensions won't slow down Opera.

    You lose. Again :lol:

  • MorphdreamerMonday, October 18, 2010 10:06:39 AM

    prd3:
    1. You FAIL.
    2. FAIL.
    3. FAIL.
    4. Ignorance FAIL.
    5. Troll FAIL.
    6. FAIL.
    7. FAIL.
    teetime:
    1. You fail hard.
    2. Troll FAIL.
    3. BIG FAIL, again.
    4. Blanket claims always FAIL.
    5. Sorry but you FAIL, again.
    6. Big failure again
    7. FAIL AGAIN!

    Looks like we have a tie.

  • prd3Monday, October 18, 2010 10:43:39 AM

    Originally posted by Morphdreamer:

    prd3:
    1. You FAIL.
    2. FAIL.
    3. FAIL.
    4. Ignorance FAIL.
    5. Troll FAIL.
    6. FAIL.
    7. FAIL.
    teetime:
    1. You fail hard.
    2. Troll FAIL.
    3. BIG FAIL, again.
    4. Blanket claims always FAIL.
    5. Sorry but you FAIL, again.
    6. Big failure again
    7. FAIL AGAIN!

    Looks like we have a tie.


    :lol:

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! :up:

  • teetimeMonday, October 18, 2010 1:27:56 PM

    Originally posted by prd3:

    They run as separate processes and don't interact with the browser, remember? Oh, I forgot, you have no idea how Opera works


    Originally posted by prd3:

    As your cluelessness hides from you, widgets are not part of the browser. They run separately, as separate processes. In other words, they don't affect the browser itself.


    Originally posted by prd3:

    So we know that running widgets does not affect the performance of the browser


    You only excel in dissing others. Actually it is you that is clueless and have got no idea how software engineering actually works. It doesn't matter that widgets run in separate processes, the widget code is included in the Opera codebase. It's hopeless to continue this as you clearly, a) don't know about how software (&engineering) actually works underneath the visible interface you see and recognize as Opera, b) you're a clueless, blind barking dog of Opera that ignores facts when it comes down defending Opera like a mindless sheep waiting its turn to the butcherhouse. EDIT: Wait a minute, does that mean that you're a sheepdog?! :lol:

    Sorry but you FAIL again, hard. Give it up, you lose. It seems that I'm in the lead now.. though you're the undisputed champion of insults, I believe that nobody's going to take that crown from you.. ever, in the history of interconnectingtubesthingamabob.

  • FhuryMonday, October 18, 2010 2:28:53 PM

    Every post which got the word "Fail" in it should be auto-deleted. Unmature-emo language.

    OT: i dont need extensions in opera, but i can see it is a good move to open up opera to the browser market (no more argument bout opera not having extensions!)

  • teetimeMonday, October 18, 2010 3:14:05 PM

    Originally posted by Fhury:

    Every post which got the word "Fail" in it should be auto-deleted. Unmature-emo language.


    I agree 100%!! (Though your post also qualifies :wink:) Also all posts containing "clueless/stupid/retarded/useless/ignorant/flop/troll/etc." (all taken from prd3's 1st page comments btw!) and my favorite "stop breathing. You are a waste of air" should be binned. But it's not our job.

    Originally posted by Fhury:

    no more argument bout opera not having extensions!


    Yes, I agree again! Should help extension-believers to try other alternatives.. and perhaps find out that they can run "some" browsers without extensions at all. :bigsmile:

  • Bela LubkinMonday, October 18, 2010 3:33:50 PM

    All flaming aside,

    Opera should publish a set of "extensions" that "add" features that Opera already has. "Tab Mix Plus" and stuff like that.

    That way, people coming in from elsewhere to test Opera will feel at home.

    In fact, they could be very cleverly done as tutorials showing how to find and control the corresponding built-in features in Opera. Then they actually have a fair bit of value.

    The last step of each tutorial could be "how to remove this tutorial `extension', leaving the features intact" :smile:

  • Azkha D AMonday, October 18, 2010 11:39:29 PM

    kwkwkwkwk :-D

  • MouqMonday, October 18, 2010 11:45:52 PM

    Originally posted by teetime:

    Originally posted by Fhury:

    Every post which got the word "Fail" in it should be auto-deleted. Unmature-emo language.

    I agree 100%!! (Though your post also qualifies ) Also all posts containing "clueless/stupid/retarded/useless/ignorant/flop/troll/etc." (all taken from prd3's 1st page comments btw!) and my favorite "stop breathing. You are a waste of air" should be binned. But it's not our job.
    Perfect idea! You've managed to eliminate 70% of general forum comments! (don't forget the c**se w**ds, pwned, Yo Mamma...) The thing is, everything has it's place; things that may seem completely inappropriate in everyday use may be completely fine in, say, a sex ed class(in the home is a whole other story)

  • Numbie LabilTuesday, October 19, 2010 4:25:27 AM

    :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

  • apexman jude tTuesday, October 19, 2010 4:26:21 AM

    well,i know this is a good idea opera,just make it happen

  • prd3Tuesday, October 19, 2010 12:16:59 PM

    Originally posted by teetime:

    You only excel in dissing others. Actually it is you that is clueless and have got no idea how software engineering actually works. It doesn't matter that widgets run in separate processes, the widget code is included in the Opera codebase.


    Now you claim that the widgets themselves are part of Opera's code base.

    Hilarious! :lol:

    No, the framework to RUN widgets is part of Opera's code base. Widgets are separate, and run separately, as separate processes. But hey, keep FAILing :lol:

  • teetimeTuesday, October 19, 2010 3:34:44 PM

    Originally posted by prd3:

    No, the framework to RUN widgets is part of Opera's code base. Widgets are separate, and run separately, as separate processes.


    What an utterly stupid and completely useless comment missing the point again. I knew it that you don't understand, keep on revealing your incompetence. Nice to see a FAIL shouting FAILER :wink: FAILING over and over again.

  • DasRakelTuesday, October 19, 2010 7:35:06 PM

    I probably won't use this just like I don't use Unite nor widgets, I will try it out.
    Lack of things like Xmarks and Lastpass is keeping people back, so it's great for them.

    I hope it's true that it takes less resources than in Firefox. Some extensions (and combinations thereof) torture performance in Fx.


    Originally posted by prd3:

    No, the framework to RUN widgets is part of Opera's code base. Widgets are separate, and run separately, as separate processes.


    Tee wants a separate codebase, a separate widgetrunner outside of opera.exe .
    I don't see the benefits of that, as you would need a lot of double code. Are there any benefits in keeping the main executable slim?

    Also, stop the trollfight, it's stupid.

    Originally posted by filbo:

    In fact, they could be very cleverly done as tutorials showing how to find and control the corresponding built-in features in Opera. Then they actually have a fair bit of value.


    Well, just make web based tutorials then. Opera is a browser. Websites are things that you visit and are 'gone' after that, just like tutorials should be.

  • naphil-removedTuesday, October 19, 2010 9:29:35 PM

    I saw the video @ http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/14/opera-11-extensions-tctv/ :yes:

    Please include extension support to add embedded icons in the address field and extend menu entries.

    If possible please provide an option to have extensions work on a webpage even if Javascript is disabled for that site and provide an option for user to manage/override blanket injection policies (eg http://*) though GUI and address bar embedded icons.

  • Bela LubkinTuesday, October 19, 2010 10:07:34 PM

    Originally posted by filbo:

    In fact, they could be very cleverly done as tutorials showing how to find and control the corresponding built-in features in Opera. Then they actually have a fair bit of value.

    Originally posted by DasRakel:

    Well, just make web based tutorials then. Opera is a browser. Websites are things that you visit and are 'gone' after that, just like tutorials should be.

    Making them as "extensions" allows people who are expecting these features to be extensions to find them. The implementation of such fake "extensions" might in fact just redirect to a tutorial web page; that is not an important detail. My point was to catch such people right where the expect it, giving them the features they're looking for. If by doing so they also get educated about Opera not needing extensions for such things, all the better.

  • FramiWednesday, October 20, 2010 9:49:02 AM

    What a good idea- now I hope these extensions will include NOSCRIPT like FF- and don´t tell me it´s already integrated in opera- it ins´t the same and most of the user know that.
    Opera here we go!

  • teetimeWednesday, October 20, 2010 9:58:12 AM

    Originally posted by DasRakel:

    Tee wants a separate codebase, a separate widgetrunner outside of opera.exe .


    Actually I don't, I haven't said anything like that. I just argued that prd3 can't prove that it does or does not affect Opera.

    Originally posted by DasRakel:

    Also, stop the trollfight, it's stupid.


    Agree 100%. I hope that the comments "quality assurance" team could see it that way too.
    ...my "agenda" might not be what you think...

  • PengeWednesday, October 20, 2010 12:40:14 PM

    Originally posted by frami:

    it ins´t the same and most of the user know that.


    But the BlockIt UserJS is better than NoScript.
    The Adblock Plus should be easier as Extension for the average users, but if you want to control the scripts you should know how to install an userJS. :smile:

  • Prakash OmWednesday, October 20, 2010 2:00:09 PM

    good news......bad news for firefox and chrome.

  • Petar DimitrovWednesday, October 20, 2010 2:09:08 PM

    That is excellent news. Widgets and design are the reason because I use Opera. Specially I wold like the Extensions for Google accounts (calendar, mail,...). And I think that the best place for extensions is the side (Left or right, or bout of them panel bar.
    It will be super if is possible something like XMARKS.

  • Reggie PierceWednesday, October 20, 2010 3:46:50 PM

    Originally posted by Astrophizz:

    YES.
    I'm glad this is happening but I think some people won't be because they tout Opera's lack of extensions as a feature.


    For instance, me. I probably would not ever install any extensions, but I guess it is not a bad thing if Opera keeps building their own "extensions" (mail, dragonfly, content block) in. If they drop those in preference to 3rd party tools, then I would be mad.

  • d4rkn1ghtWednesday, October 20, 2010 5:37:43 PM

    Originally posted by borg:

    Originally posted by Richard1928:

    Have used Opera for many years and have never felt the need for a extension because the beauty of Opera is that all the important ones are build in.

    We don't intend to change that at all, but open up for the long tail of features as well..
    Good to know!

  • MouqThursday, October 21, 2010 12:20:08 AM

    @prd3 and @teetime :
    you do both realize that
    1. You both need to stop insulting and "FAIL"ing each other in order to stop :troll: ing each other.
    2. It is completely possible to have a debate or conversation while doing 1.
    You see, there is this thing called 'self-restraint'...

  • strannikkzThursday, October 21, 2010 12:46:36 AM

    :flirt:

  • Henry LeoThursday, October 21, 2010 1:32:02 AM

    wow that is great

  • teetimeThursday, October 21, 2010 2:44:18 AM

    Originally posted by alexmoquin:

    @prd3 and @teetime :
    you do both realize that
    1. You both need to stop insulting and "FAIL"ing each other...


    I see that at least you haven't got my hints & have the wrong picture about me and what I'm doing. Maybe you don't understand what prd3 is all about, he's not going to stop his behavior ever, every regular here has seen it, unless somebody stops him (*wink* not me).

  • bunsackThursday, October 21, 2010 8:55:24 AM

    http://cybernetnews.com/cybernotes-reduce-tab-clutter-in-your-browser/#comment-96232

    Please someone port these from the firefox extensions

  • prd3Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:25:31 PM

    Originally posted by teetime:

    I just argued that prd3 can't prove that it does or does not affect Opera.


    Sure I can. I just explained exactly how. In fact, I didn't even say it, I just repeated what the Opera developers themselves said.

  • teetimeThursday, October 21, 2010 5:19:36 PM

    Originally posted by prd3:

    Sure I can. I just explained exactly how.


    WRONG! No you didn't. You just keep on FAILING over and over again, and posting stupid comments. Nice troll, again.

  • Charles SchlossFriday, October 22, 2010 3:58:46 AM

    With the arguments and lets get back on topic

  • Chathuranga LiyanagamaFriday, October 22, 2010 7:42:06 AM

    Well! Extentions feature may or may not slow opera browsing.Opera is fighting for survival,against new browsers like Google chrome.Extentions will be a new streagity for new customer attraction.Any way,how can you say opera will slow down because widgets are included in the opera code base when they are processing seperatly(you can't exactly predict that a program will be slow down because just it has been added a new sub code:It may slow,not change or speed up the program.It will be according to program coding system and code linking method.)If opera developers say it won't slow opera it will be so.There is no need or advantage for them to make false statemens.
    Wait for the next speed test .We will know exactly.

  • Petar DimitrovFriday, October 22, 2010 3:49:22 PM

    I wold like extensions for "Google shortcuts" like add ons in mozilla firefox.

  • amir3408Friday, October 22, 2010 4:55:18 PM

    Go Opera Go0o0o0o0o0o0;)

  • Charles SchlossFriday, October 22, 2010 10:52:52 PM

    @Зеленин Григорий Григорьевич English please

  • Зеленин Григорий ГригорьевичSaturday, October 23, 2010 9:46:01 AM

    I 100% endorse the Chathuranga Liyanagama. And I do not understand why this whole thread devoted to the question about the speed of the browser. Is this the main thing that would love to hear from us developers?! Speed, speed! Tired. All this is nonsense. In recent tests http://ixbt.com/ opera surpasses all its competitors. And even if the new development will fall speed, it would become an important priority for you to choose a browser? Yes 11 version is trying to catch up with some points Google chrome, but guys this is the same Google with their personal service. Therefore, we should discuss and propose new ideas for development for a better surfing on the Internet. It is necessary to discuss the idea of «extensions», it can give us a new one!?
    Can we do it «extensions» do not need?

  • rbaleksandarTuesday, October 26, 2010 7:56:15 PM

    Originally posted by HellbillyDeluxe:

    Will it also be possible to synchronize installed Extensions through Opera Link?


    I don't think so unless there is a specific extension for this job. Each add-on is on its own. Whether it cooperates with other add-ons or not is entirely up to its delevoper(s). Same goes for the add-ons in Firefox. There are some add-ons that (in most cases coded by the same author(s)) "need" each other for the user to get the full experience.

    As for the performance impact on the browser itself - there surely will be such thing. Widgets might not have a direct impact on the browser's performance (since they are more or less stand alone web applications) but they still DO play a role in the big picture - they use system resources. And Opera as a browser uses these resources too. One might say that a game of Minsweeper and Opera have nothing in common. Think again. The more things are running at a certain point of time, the more your computer swears in your face. Add-ons will have an even greater impact since they are much "closer to" the browser than widgets. This has one big advantage and one big disadvantage:
    The advantage is that developers can add greater functionality to Opera, which is not possible using widgets (look in the forums for various requests for this and that feature that is rejected since a widget can't be created).
    The disadvantage is that (as some people mentioned before me) every pimple-faced self-proclaimed genius will start writing crap (like in Firefox and Chrome and others) and some other ignorant user will download this pile of ... and wonder why the hell the browser freaks out. I hope that Opera will have a better quality control over the add-ons.


    PS: I'm looking forward to having a 'DowloadThemAll'-add-on for Opera. :p:

  • ZaenalmukodasSunday, October 31, 2010 8:05:37 AM

    Yes

  • XYZWednesday, November 3, 2010 8:35:14 PM

    :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

  • Viktor ShaldybinFriday, November 19, 2010 7:16:25 PM

    :cheers: :yes:

  • Arun Prabu - Arun's OperaSaturday, December 18, 2010 12:41:06 PM

    I have a plan to develop one extension after having written a review here
    http://uiavenue.com/2010/12/browsers/opera-11-review

  • shahab uddinSunday, October 9, 2011 9:04:04 AM

    thanks a lot.

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