Stephen JamesThursday, October 14, 2010 3:31:42 PM
Can't wait! I hope someone makes an extension so you can have more speed dial pages to keep your bookmarks & history & more speed dials.
Can't wait for the download!
DayThursday, October 14, 2010 3:34:37 PM
@prd3 always love your interesting and absolute objective comments
YamanekoThursday, October 14, 2010 3:49:23 PM
At last. It took quite long (too long I think). But I'm glad.
bormasterThursday, October 14, 2010 4:18:57 PM
opera重度使用用户内牛满面的飘过
Paul GeorgeThursday, October 14, 2010 4:19:03 PM
This is such great news, a lot of people bash Opera for the lack of extensions and going down the widget route.
This could really help to push Opera forward and make usage stats climb.
Pablo MendozaThursday, October 14, 2010 4:49:37 PM
anglerThursday, October 14, 2010 5:02:04 PM
I hope the ability to use extensions doesn't cause any performance hits. I actually can't think of any reason to use extensions with Opera. The example in the article about adding a button and popping up a menu when clicked can already be done today. With Firefox I install extensions that mimic functionality that is already built into Opera.
bleicherThursday, October 14, 2010 5:16:41 PM
as long as security is really well done and no features of main prog are cut away, its ok. i assume the oOrganizer integration w M2 will be one of the reasons extensions are coming?
API to access my email is actually pretty dangerous - so we really need a listing of what exactly an extension will have eccess to before instaling. and some protection against silnt installation etc.
otherwise opera risks to loose some hardcore fanbase w/o sure win of the new. mentally challenged will stay by IE voluntary
naturateagfdgasdddtkaaThursday, October 14, 2010 5:27:29 PM
And about the subject; extensions, interesting to see what comes out of this, though I've never been an advocate of extensions. There's the danger of quality dropping, security lowering.. and then there's the possibility of getting exciting new things through extensions. We'll see what comes out of it.
Though in honesty, with the current speed race/feature creep in effect (you can't deny that), I'd like to see more bug fixing (e.g. my showstopper MDI bugs ).
Bela LubkinThursday, October 14, 2010 5:31:00 PM
I hope that Opera will maintain a repository of extensions -- "Extension Store" in 2010 terminology, I suppose. As you already have a repository of skins, this is not much of a stretch.
The repository should have the usual things such repositories have:
categorization
user ratings, reviews and discussions
facilities to allow a particular extension to have multiple versions (at once: "stable" and "unstable" tracks; over time: minor and major updates)
subscription to information about a particular extension, category, or creator
digital signatures (I believe should be required for all entries in the repository)
digital signature by Opera for Opera-supplied extensions and perhaps -- by a cooperative program of some sort -- Opera vetting of 3rd party extensions. Not all entries in the repository would necessarily be signed by Opera.
integration inside Opera: Opera should be aware of the source of each extension (such as a URL into this repository) and be able to notify about compatible and incompatible updates
synchronization: a user should be able to maintain one or more named lists of extensions he uses, to be "subscribed" from particular instances of his browser. I say multiple because (for instance) I may use different extensions at work than at home, and I may have multiple machines running each of these configurations.
This sort of infrastructure would be extremely useful even for the sorts of "extensions" we have today -- UserJS, UserCSS, bookmarklets, keyboard/gesture/toolbar/menu tweaks. I hope to see many of these sorts of extensions "packaged" into the new extensions so that they can be subscribed and maintained as described here.
Also, regarding the extensions themselves, I hope they will provide better ways to handle those keyboard/gesture/toolbar/menu tweaks. Currently (as far as I know) these are full-replacement items -- there is no integrated way for me to do something like add a submenu to one of Opera's internal menus. I can instruct people how to do it by editing their menu.ini; I could even potentially write a script to do that editing. But I can't just have them click on something, agree that the signature looks good, and have my menu immediately. And if I want to avoid editing, I have to supply an entire menu.ini, which is a terrible idea because it overrides the native version that goes with their browser release.
I don't expect 100% of this to spring forth from Opera's brow the day Opera 11 ships, but please consider moving towards it.
techlawsamThursday, October 14, 2010 5:31:43 PM
finally extensions and widgets! The best of both worlds woo!!
now websites will actually look in Opera's Direction when Opera Users visit them!
wageThursday, October 14, 2010 5:45:48 PM
This is good news. There are two features that I really felt Opera was lacking to make it a perfect browser, Firefox style NoScript and Adblock. Both these extensions are very powerful and would greatly contribute to Operas security. I hope these will soon be possible.
ShinKenThursday, October 14, 2010 6:07:37 PM
Mod edit: Not the right place for requests.
Knut Remi "DrLaunch" LøvliThursday, October 14, 2010 6:13:00 PM
If we combine UserJS, custom buttons, custom searches and custom menus, Opera is already capable of almost anything extensions do in other browsers.
But still I'm ecstatic we'll finally see a repository for and proper handling of these extensions.
XYZThursday, October 14, 2010 6:20:15 PM
MyOpera team, please fix this!Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:27:24 PM
Simply amazing. I'm giving you a standing ovation. Can you hear it?
Waffa Margus MeigoThursday, October 14, 2010 6:59:21 PM
Does this means.... we finally can have Adblock Plus+content hider helper, all the yt down-loaders and everything in Opera?
Damn.. after some main add-ons that i like in firefox .. if they will end up in Opera i really cant see lot of reason to open up this memory vampire, firefox. Or yes.. most of the fault is actually in flash but still..
Cant wait
Van PapiashviliThursday, October 14, 2010 7:05:22 PM
Hey it would be great if new oper will have "Facebook Dislike Button Extension"
seidenfadenThursday, October 14, 2010 7:12:05 PM
Originally posted by prd3:
I like Opera but I don't understand some ideas.
Widgets, useless.
Unite, flop.
Today's most retarded comment.
Widgets are a huge success. Opera is making tons of money from widgets. Anyone who claims they are "useless" are clearly clueless.
Unite has a lot of users, and gave Opera massive exposure. The only flop here is trolls making useless and ignorant comments based on their own bigotry.
WHO will develop those extensions
Uh, people who want Opera extensions of course. You FAIL. Stop trolling. In fact, stop breathing. You are a waste of air.
Tongue in cheek? You sure seem to know what trolling is all about! :-)
HenryThursday, October 14, 2010 7:56:29 PM
^_^ buenisimo!! siempre cosas buenas Opera =D
RobertThursday, October 14, 2010 8:09:52 PM
I can't wait!
TrofThursday, October 14, 2010 8:13:45 PM
Extensions? Do not want.
I don't miss having problems with poorly coded extensions, extensions that have conflicts with other extensions, disruption of design with ugly extension interface and non working extensions afted browser update and lengthy debugging by removing them one by one as in Firefox.
To have comfortable browsing Firefox depends on extensions, where Opera just works as it is or with current available modifications. I don't want this to change and make Opera dependent on the work of unknown code monkey. I want smoothly running browser precisely tuned to high efficiency, not a duck-taped bunch of addons. Please don't stop adding features to the core browser just because someone wrote a crappy extension with same function.
NRThursday, October 14, 2010 8:26:54 PM
can't wait to test Opera 11 alpha
tawhitiThursday, October 14, 2010 8:34:22 PM
Originally posted by prd3:
tawhiti is the guy who wants Opera to be just a framework, and not a full browser
Less is more as Qt's qml will show in the coming years.
Originally posted by prd3:
tawhiti is clearly clueless, and does not understand the purpose of a browser
Yes I'm clueless about many things, however I'm very certain opera is on the wrong track with their never ending path to bloat!!!!! .... personally I don't see why opera can't pander to the bloat lovers and the people who believe stripping opera and adding a well designed system api (as noted by my QT qml examples) is the way to go and see which path wins in the end. I suspect if opera were to enable systems developers instead of hamstringing them, opera will prosper ...... or does no one look at the web browser user stats here at opera?
hundredorzeroThursday, October 14, 2010 8:45:01 PM
I hope extensions will not slow down Opera like Firefox.
Milosz DerezynskiThursday, October 14, 2010 8:54:37 PM
It's "Good News, everyone!". Please, take the courtesy to get this right.
Regards, P. J. Farnsworth
chesssThursday, October 14, 2010 9:03:55 PM
unbelievable
petvalThursday, October 14, 2010 9:05:36 PM
Please make an option to put all extensions in one separate process, not only as other browsers which have every extension/tab in its own process.
To see such a browser in task manager and how much RAM it takes even after fresh start with only one empty tab open is just painfull.
naturateagfdgasdddtkaaThursday, October 14, 2010 9:38:40 PM
Moderator edit: Off-topic comment removed.
Witold BarylukThursday, October 14, 2010 9:40:12 PM
I do not know it is good or bad. Please make it right, secure and stable. I do not want any regiression, increassed instabilities, etc. due to the extensions or this infrastructure at all.
grizzlyadamsThursday, October 14, 2010 10:01:33 PM
Welcome to the 21st century, Opera.
JohannThursday, October 14, 2010 10:05:04 PM
AgentCROCODILEThursday, October 14, 2010 10:23:01 PM
I note the Opera masterminds are going standards crazy. Which is good, because I'm absolutely standards mental.
For people complaining about extension security and what not, the best part here is that they will be written in JavaScript and HTML5 and CSS and what not. I guess this means that the browser can have a lot more control of the extensions than, say, if they were written in C/C++ and what not. I would imagine there can be some good usage of the error console too and this may help a lot of developers.
Also, if one doesn't want extensions to slow down the browser, one shouldn't install them in the first place.
Jamie EppersonThursday, October 14, 2010 11:40:08 PM
Wow,this is great! Ive been asking for this since opera 6 practicly.lol I sure hope opera 11 alpha is upon us very quick as i gotta play with this! Thank you opera devs and hat tip to the trolls crying about bloat,security and others nit picks. Guys,heres a big tip,dont install them if youre in a panic about the previous nit picks i mentioned. Enjoy the new and improved opera 11 coming!
Zalex ;-)Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:53:16 PM
I wish there was an option to enable / disable the use of AddOns and to block or not the installation. You can install Opera to family / friends but not wanting to install addons without your supervision.
Stephen TurrellFriday, October 15, 2010 12:11:36 AM
Mod edit: Hijacking attempt removed.
TreeGoFriday, October 15, 2010 12:31:35 AM
I think one should just develop a program called EXTENSIONS which is extensible by add-on browsers.
KarenFriday, October 15, 2010 12:34:46 AM
w00t!!!
Simon HoustonFriday, October 15, 2010 1:21:59 AM
Originally posted by MisterNot:
and can be terribly bad in a closed source like Opera so let us wait and see first.
Since when does a closed source browser be bad for extensions? Closed source just means the program's code isn't available the extensions code likely will be though.
₣ıđø Ðıđø™Friday, October 15, 2010 1:25:05 AM
Wow .. I was waiting Extensions for a long time to Opera
Ismael M.Friday, October 15, 2010 4:45:06 AM
I dont think that I want extensions
Ismael M.Friday, October 15, 2010 4:52:27 AM
I'd like new and originals functions of Opera for opera 11,
prd3Friday, October 15, 2010 4:54:14 AM
Originally posted by tawhiti:
Yes I'm clueless about many things, however I'm very certain opera is on the wrong track with their never ending path to bloat!!!!!
Bloat? You download and use an entire UI framework, and talk about "bloat"? LOL.
Also, sorry to burst your bubble, but Opera was NEVER just a simple browser. It ALWAYS had additional features. But hey, your ignorance ensures that you have no clue about these things.
personally I don't see why opera can't pander to the bloat lovers and the people who believe stripping opera and adding a well designed system api (as noted by my QT qml examples) is the way to go and see which path wins in the end.
You mean like Firefox did with XUL?
I suspect if opera were to enable systems developers instead of hamstringing them, opera will prosper ...... or does no one look at the web browser user stats here at opera?
Browser stats are misleading and useless.
But if you DO accept these useless stats, surely you have noticed that Chrome, which also has the kind of extensions that you hate, is growing crazily.
But hey, don't let logic get in the way of your rambling ignorance...
teetimeFriday, October 15, 2010 5:39:17 AM
Originally posted by prd3:
Also, sorry to burst your bubble, but Opera was NEVER just a simple browser. It ALWAYS had additional features. But hey, your ignorance ensures that you have no clue about these things.
Actually Opera was rather simple back in the stick and stones days. And it has gained new stuff along the way, or as the original poster said, "never ending path to bloat". So even though it was his opinion, it contained logic and was accurate. But hey, fanboyism never have looked at the facts.. nor respected peoples opinions.
Originally posted by prd3:
Browser stats are misleading and useless.
No they are not. I'm sorry but your blanket comment is useless.
Charles SchlossFriday, October 15, 2010 5:43:43 AM
Lets stay on topic and not argue
Knut Remi "DrLaunch" LøvliFriday, October 15, 2010 6:21:44 AM
Woo! Flame war!
Either way, Chrome is on its way to overtaking Firefox' market share on several popular tech oriented sites. The trend on these sites seems to be repeated in the general public later, if not as exaggerated though.
Since all browsers with a larger market share than Opera support extensions, be it native code or XML-related code, I doubt extensions will do anything to harm Opera's market share. Rather the opposite.
When it comes to opinions on extensions in a browser, I don't think extensions will bloat Opera's interface enough to be significant. Depending on their code, I don't even think they'll impact Opera's performance either. Just as Widgets and Unite apps don't usually do.
It's all HTML5, JS and CSS. Opera was made to run it as smoothly as possible. Even with several instances open.
PaulFriday, October 15, 2010 6:33:49 AM
Ooooh yeah, opera-baby waiting for test.
IchannFriday, October 15, 2010 6:35:37 AM
Originally posted by prd3:
No they aren't. You are clearly deeply ignorant and bigoted
I think you should research what actually a bigot is before you go around spewing sh--
AsiresFriday, October 15, 2010 6:57:56 AM
Originally posted by teetime:
So even though it was his opinion, it contained logic and was accurate.
He hate features, extensions, but believe in qt and somehow binds the browser stats to all this. Great logic and accuracy.
Originally posted by EspenAO:
Opera 11 will have Extensions
Opera 11 will look strange without HWA, so we need it also.
teetimeFriday, October 15, 2010 7:19:09 AM
Originally posted by Asires:
Originally posted by teetime:
So even though it was his opinion, it contained logic and was accurate.
He hate features, extensions, but believe in qt and somehow binds the browser stats to all this. Great logic and accuracy.
I find your attempt to discredit me with taking the issue out of context rather stupid. Please read my post again.
Stephen JamesThursday, October 14, 2010 3:31:42 PM
Can't wait for the download!
DayThursday, October 14, 2010 3:34:37 PM
always love your interesting and absolute objective comments
YamanekoThursday, October 14, 2010 3:49:23 PM
bormasterThursday, October 14, 2010 4:18:57 PM
Paul GeorgeThursday, October 14, 2010 4:19:03 PM
This could really help to push Opera forward and make usage stats climb.
Pablo MendozaThursday, October 14, 2010 4:49:37 PM
anglerThursday, October 14, 2010 5:02:04 PM
bleicherThursday, October 14, 2010 5:16:41 PM
i assume the oOrganizer integration w M2 will be one of the reasons extensions are coming?
API to access my email is actually pretty dangerous - so we really need a listing of what exactly an extension will have eccess to before instaling.
and some protection against silnt installation etc.
otherwise opera risks to loose some hardcore fanbase w/o sure win of the new. mentally challenged will stay by IE voluntary
naturateagfdgasdddtkaaThursday, October 14, 2010 5:27:29 PM
Though in honesty, with the current speed race/feature creep in effect (you can't deny that), I'd like to see more bug fixing (e.g. my showstopper MDI bugs
Bela LubkinThursday, October 14, 2010 5:31:00 PM
The repository should have the usual things such repositories have:
This sort of infrastructure would be extremely useful even for the sorts of "extensions" we have today -- UserJS, UserCSS, bookmarklets, keyboard/gesture/toolbar/menu tweaks. I hope to see many of these sorts of extensions "packaged" into the new extensions so that they can be subscribed and maintained as described here.
Also, regarding the extensions themselves, I hope they will provide better ways to handle those keyboard/gesture/toolbar/menu tweaks. Currently (as far as I know) these are full-replacement items -- there is no integrated way for me to do something like add a submenu to one of Opera's internal menus. I can instruct people how to do it by editing their menu.ini; I could even potentially write a script to do that editing. But I can't just have them click on something, agree that the signature looks good, and have my menu immediately. And if I want to avoid editing, I have to supply an entire menu.ini, which is a terrible idea because it overrides the native version that goes with their browser release.
I don't expect 100% of this to spring forth from Opera's brow the day Opera 11 ships, but please consider moving towards it.
techlawsamThursday, October 14, 2010 5:31:43 PM
now websites will actually look in Opera's Direction when Opera Users visit them!
wageThursday, October 14, 2010 5:45:48 PM
ShinKenThursday, October 14, 2010 6:07:37 PM
Knut Remi "DrLaunch" LøvliThursday, October 14, 2010 6:13:00 PM
But still I'm ecstatic we'll finally see a repository for and proper handling of these extensions.
XYZThursday, October 14, 2010 6:20:15 PM
MyOpera team, please fix this!Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:27:24 PM
Waffa Margus MeigoThursday, October 14, 2010 6:59:21 PM
Damn.. after some main add-ons that i like in firefox .. if they will end up in Opera i really cant see lot of reason to open up this memory vampire, firefox. Or yes.. most of the fault is actually in flash but still..
Cant wait
Van PapiashviliThursday, October 14, 2010 7:05:22 PM
seidenfadenThursday, October 14, 2010 7:12:05 PM
Originally posted by prd3:
Tongue in cheek? You sure seem to know what trolling is all about! :-)HenryThursday, October 14, 2010 7:56:29 PM
RobertThursday, October 14, 2010 8:09:52 PM
TrofThursday, October 14, 2010 8:13:45 PM
I don't miss having problems with poorly coded extensions, extensions that have conflicts with other extensions, disruption of design with ugly extension interface and non working extensions afted browser update and lengthy debugging by removing them one by one as in Firefox.
To have comfortable browsing Firefox depends on extensions, where Opera just works as it is or with current available modifications. I don't want this to change and make Opera dependent on the work of unknown code monkey. I want smoothly running browser precisely tuned to high efficiency, not a duck-taped bunch of addons.
Please don't stop adding features to the core browser just because someone wrote a crappy extension with same function.
NRThursday, October 14, 2010 8:26:54 PM
tawhitiThursday, October 14, 2010 8:34:22 PM
Originally posted by prd3:
Less is more as Qt's qml will show in the coming years.
Originally posted by prd3:
Yes I'm clueless about many things, however I'm very certain opera is on the wrong track with their never ending path to bloat!!!!! .... personally I don't see why opera can't pander to the bloat lovers and the people who believe stripping opera and adding a well designed system api (as noted by my QT qml examples) is the way to go and see which path wins in the end. I suspect if opera were to enable systems developers instead of hamstringing them, opera will prosper ...... or does no one look at the web browser user stats here at opera?
hundredorzeroThursday, October 14, 2010 8:45:01 PM
Milosz DerezynskiThursday, October 14, 2010 8:54:37 PM
Regards,
P. J. Farnsworth
chesssThursday, October 14, 2010 9:03:55 PM
petvalThursday, October 14, 2010 9:05:36 PM
not only as other browsers which have every extension/tab in its own process.
To see such a browser in task manager and how much RAM it takes even after fresh start with only one empty tab open is just painfull.
naturateagfdgasdddtkaaThursday, October 14, 2010 9:38:40 PM
Witold BarylukThursday, October 14, 2010 9:40:12 PM
grizzlyadamsThursday, October 14, 2010 10:01:33 PM
JohannThursday, October 14, 2010 10:05:04 PM
AgentCROCODILEThursday, October 14, 2010 10:23:01 PM
For people complaining about extension security and what not, the best part here is that they will be written in JavaScript and HTML5 and CSS and what not. I guess this means that the browser can have a lot more control of the extensions than, say, if they were written in C/C++ and what not. I would imagine there can be some good usage of the error console too and this may help a lot of developers.
Also, if one doesn't want extensions to slow down the browser, one shouldn't install them in the first place.
Jamie EppersonThursday, October 14, 2010 11:40:08 PM
Zalex ;-)Thursday, October 14, 2010 11:53:16 PM
You can install Opera to family / friends but not wanting to install addons without your supervision.
Stephen TurrellFriday, October 15, 2010 12:11:36 AM
TreeGoFriday, October 15, 2010 12:31:35 AM
KarenFriday, October 15, 2010 12:34:46 AM
Simon HoustonFriday, October 15, 2010 1:21:59 AM
Originally posted by MisterNot:
Since when does a closed source browser be bad for extensions? Closed source just means the program's code isn't available the extensions code likely will be though.
₣ıđø Ðıđø™Friday, October 15, 2010 1:25:05 AM
to Opera
Ismael M.Friday, October 15, 2010 4:45:06 AM
Ismael M.Friday, October 15, 2010 4:52:27 AM
prd3Friday, October 15, 2010 4:54:14 AM
Originally posted by tawhiti:
Bloat? You download and use an entire UI framework, and talk about "bloat"? LOL.
Also, sorry to burst your bubble, but Opera was NEVER just a simple browser. It ALWAYS had additional features. But hey, your ignorance ensures that you have no clue about these things.
You mean like Firefox did with XUL?
Browser stats are misleading and useless.
But if you DO accept these useless stats, surely you have noticed that Chrome, which also has the kind of extensions that you hate, is growing crazily.
But hey, don't let logic get in the way of your rambling ignorance...
teetimeFriday, October 15, 2010 5:39:17 AM
Originally posted by prd3:
Actually Opera was rather simple back in the stick and stones days. And it has gained new stuff along the way, or as the original poster said, "never ending path to bloat". So even though it was his opinion, it contained logic and was accurate. But hey, fanboyism never have looked at the facts.. nor respected peoples opinions.
Originally posted by prd3:
No they are not. I'm sorry but your blanket comment is useless.
Charles SchlossFriday, October 15, 2010 5:43:43 AM
Knut Remi "DrLaunch" LøvliFriday, October 15, 2010 6:21:44 AM
Either way, Chrome is on its way to overtaking Firefox' market share on several popular tech oriented sites. The trend on these sites seems to be repeated in the general public later, if not as exaggerated though.
Since all browsers with a larger market share than Opera support extensions, be it native code or XML-related code, I doubt extensions will do anything to harm Opera's market share. Rather the opposite.
When it comes to opinions on extensions in a browser, I don't think extensions will bloat Opera's interface enough to be significant. Depending on their code, I don't even think they'll impact Opera's performance either. Just as Widgets and Unite apps don't usually do.
It's all HTML5, JS and CSS. Opera was made to run it as smoothly as possible. Even with several instances open.
PaulFriday, October 15, 2010 6:33:49 AM
IchannFriday, October 15, 2010 6:35:37 AM
Originally posted by prd3:
I think you should research what actually a bigot is before you go around spewing sh--
AsiresFriday, October 15, 2010 6:57:56 AM
Originally posted by teetime:
He hate features, extensions, but believe in qt and somehow binds the browser stats to all this. Great logic and accuracy.Originally posted by EspenAO:
Opera 11 will look strange without HWA, so we need it also.teetimeFriday, October 15, 2010 7:19:09 AM
Originally posted by Asires:
I find your attempt to discredit me with taking the issue out of context rather stupid. Please read my post again.