Sorry - forgot to say that I tried 'modern scroll' and it makes no difference to the jumpy scroll I'm reporting.
André ZangheliniSunday, March 17, 2013 1:41:06 AM
Chrome doesn't even have smooth scroll. PgUp and PgDw simply jump, there's no smooth scroll at all. You can try disabling smooth scroll in Opera settings to see if anything changes.
Originally posted by Staiger:
Sorry - forgot to say that I tried 'modern scroll' and it makes no difference to the jumpy scroll I'm reporting.
Did you enabled Scrolling functions?
And I just found one terrible thing about the move to the webkit. webkit support custom cursor and custom scroll bars. I just can't handle someone who uses any of these.
Open it in Opera and in IE. Scroll up and down with the scroll wheel. IE scrolls the page smoothly. Opera scrolls in jerks and jumps. It also seems to scroll at double speed, for some reason (i.e. twice the "lines per click" mouse wheel scroll setting in Windows).
Err. Nope.
FransSunday, March 17, 2013 9:56:32 AM
Originally posted by André:
Chrome doesn't even have smooth scroll. PgUp and PgDw simply jump, there's no smooth scroll at all. You can try disabling smooth scroll in Opera settings to see if anything changes.
Well, I don't care for smooth scrolling because it's slower. Just like I don't care for all kinds of special effects because they slow things down. By which I mean I don't want to sit there 1-2 seconds staring at some fading animation or whatever.
I've found another way to demonstrate it. Load that CNET page I linked to in IE10, Chrome and Opera. This time, just press the Page Down key to scroll. In IE10 and Chrome they jump down the page instantly (not really a scroll); in Opera the page actually scrolls (i.e. it does not move to the new position instantly - the scroll bar visibly moves downwards), and the scroll is unpleasantly jumpy.
Chromium seems to take a number of milliseconds before actually "instantaneously" moving the page. And this is on my Core 2 Duo E6600. This is exactly the kind of thing I mean when I call Chrome(ium) unresponsive and slow, regardless what artificial benchmarks say. Opera and Firefox do not wait around for a noticeable number of milliseconds; they are actually instantaneous, or at least close to it. Now with smooth scroll enabled, which I don't care for, yes, you see the scroll bar moving along smoothly. That's intended. It's not, of course, intended to be jerky.
Btw, it seems that in Windows I can confirm your observation on my good laptop, a Core 2 Duo T3400. Scrolling at the very top of the page slows down a little, although I wouldn't call it jerky. But when I enable HWA, there's actually a kind of jerk there. However, IE has that too. I think it might be related to the Flash ad. But based on what you said here I think you might simply be calling the normal smooth scrolling operation jerky — which I can understand I suppose, I also think it slows me down. So just disable it.
woj-tekSunday, March 17, 2013 10:50:52 AM
Originally posted by Frenzie:
Opera also supports custom scrollbars.
but you can turn them off... each time I have to use Google Calendar in Chrome and trying to set time I'm banging my head against the wall beacase there is no up/down button - only the bar which is not that acurate... :|
Серба ТасичSunday, March 17, 2013 9:23:16 PM
This is start ending opera. Good bye old good Opera. Im going to other engine, if you want webkit go to Chrome or Safari I dont like webkit and going to gecko engine. Opera R.I.P.
DillonWednesday, March 20, 2013 6:31:46 PM
Originally posted by An-dz:
Chrome doesn't even have smooth scroll. PgUp and PgDw simply jump, there's no smooth scroll at all.
Chrome has smooth scrolling under a "hidden" setting in chrome://flags
MaximThursday, March 21, 2013 2:25:52 PM
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ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:42:33 AM
Originally posted by skysmurf:
As if all the Web poisoning by Google wasn't bad enough, apparently we can now look forward to Opera Ads and Opera Analytics topping the blocklists of e.g Privoxy, Ghostery etc.
You ignorant fool. Opera has been doing ads for a long time already. This is just a restructuring of the ad business they've had for a long time.
You FAIL.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:43:50 AM
Originally posted by woj-tek:
is it me or does it look very chrome-like, except for the Opera logo in the upper right corner?! O_x
No, it looks Android native. That's the point. It's a native UI so it looks like Android.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:43:50 AM
Originally posted by zarathos:
Opera moving on webkit wont make it popular. It will be just Opera on webkit.
Actually, it will be more popular because all sites will suddenly work.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:44:14 AM
Originally posted by XaHyMaH:
Under Glass of Truth(tm) it reads: We have no more professional programmers who can develop modern rendering engine, but we have cheap programmers who able only to make a custom skin for Chromium
Troll reported.
They actually have hundreds of veteran programmers who are more than capable. But ignorant trolls will keep trolling.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:45:59 AM
Originally posted by MossMan:
They've already said Dragonfly is dead
They haven't. Some guy claimed it was dead, but then the DF job ad showed up. So the guy was evidently wrong.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:47:03 AM
Originally posted by woj-tek:
they basically stripped all the features and it's now a chrome with a bit different UI... :|
So any streamlined browser is Chrome?
Different ui = not "basically Chrome," troll.
Epic failtroll fails.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:47:41 AM
Originally posted by cnbatch:
UC browser, the competitor of Opera, are using "U3" as it's core. U3 is NOT Webkit!
Wrong. It IS Webkit. The UC liars lied and claimed it wasn't, but it turned out it was.
Anyway, I'll abandon opera after you moved to Webkit!
So you'll abandon the UC liar browser?
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:49:07 AM
Originally posted by dovelove:
THEN I read the last pages of comments with the originator of Opera having left. It explains the CRAZY directions Opera has taken lately and buggy releases.
What are you talking about? Are you completely insane? The founder left Opera a long time ago. And he was responsible for releases like 10.5. Remember 10.5?
Your extreme ignorance of history compels you to make completely moronic comments that don't make sense.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:49:29 AM
Originally posted by stripclubdj:
What a shame... Basically, this means that Opera will no longer be developing its own HTML layout engine, Presto, and that it will slap an Opera label on Chromium and call that its desktop browser.
Troll detected, and reported.
woj-tekFriday, March 22, 2013 11:04:18 AM
OT:
Originally posted by Chirpie:
Troll detected, and reported.
Go both ways - and I encourage EVERYONE in this thread to to the same... maybe this will speed up things like with caughslamdexcaugh...
EDIT: why blocked users appear in commends after all?!
kapsiFriday, March 22, 2013 12:03:20 PM
Originally posted by woj-tek:
OT:
Originally posted by Chirpie:
Troll detected, and reported.
Go both ways - and I encourage EVERYONE in this thread to to the same...
Sorry but I like girls only.
MossManFriday, March 22, 2013 2:48:33 PM
Originally posted by kapsi:
Originally posted by woj-tek:
OT:
Originally posted by Chirpie:
Troll detected, and reported.
Go both ways - and I encourage EVERYONE in this thread to to the same...
Sorry but I like girls only.
MossManFriday, March 22, 2013 2:59:36 PM
Originally posted by Chirpie:
Originally posted by MossMan:
They've already said Dragonfly is dead
They haven't. Some guy claimed it was dead, but then the DF job ad showed up. So the guy was evidently wrong.
discussion between Rune F. Halvorsen ("Mobile developer at FINN.no, Opera Dragonfly developer") and David Håsäther ("JavaScript developer at @Opera Software, working on Opera Dragonfly"):
@runeh: "*sad panda* @hzr The switch to WebKit unfortunately means that Opera Dragonfly is no more."
@hzr: "@IllusionMH A lot of stuff, but not all, could theoretically be ported, yes. It would be quite a big task though. @runeh"
So one Dragonfly developer (not employed by Opera) suggests Dragonfly is dead, and this is more or less confirmed by another developer who claims to work for Opera.
Note that this conversation occurred a month before the ad appeared for new employees with Dragonfly experience - so it's entirely possible that all the negative reaction in the meantime has caused Opera to look at creating a similar (but not necessarily identical) tool for the WebKit browser.
Stephan Robert SevenyolnFriday, March 22, 2013 3:23:39 PM
@chirpie Stop it. you do not know if Opera will keep any of the features it has now. None of us do. They said that Opera is being rebuilt. How do we know that its gonna be the Opera we love?
The only sites that work better with Webkit are the Google sites such as Gmail. The rest work better in Presto. Presto doesn't have rendering problems in my experience. Google Plus, Gmail, Google Drive ect will work better in Webkit, but the majority of websites won't.
Troll detected, and reported.
sirnh1Friday, March 22, 2013 5:52:52 PM
Originally posted by stephansevenyoln:
you do not know if Opera will keep any of the features it has now. None of us do. They said that Opera is being rebuilt. How do we know that its gonna be the Opera we love?
At this point nobody knows what the new browser will look like. But if I look at the 'mobile Beta' version, then I get the impression that pretty much all of opera's features will be gone. (they did kill stuff like: text-wrapping, bookmarks, opera link (it's only available as a web interface, thus making it pretty much useless). Even the option "off-road/tubo off while on wifi' is gone.
And after removing all of that, it's still a lot slower then the current (presto based) version and uses more memory too. I just wish opera would give us a status update like 'features a and be will still be in the next version, while feature 'C' is till undecided.
I mean they basicly did kill 'opera link' on the mobile version. What does that mean for the desktop version?
semtexxlThursday, March 28, 2013 6:16:58 PM
Thanks for all years with Opera. It was in my 'holy trinity' of my most loved programs ......KMPlayer, foobar2000 and Opera. I believe this move will totally kill it so good by Opera and RIP.
FransThursday, March 28, 2013 7:38:28 PM
Originally posted by semtexxl:
It was in my 'holy trinity' of my most loved programs ......KMPlayer, foobar2000 and Opera.
KMPlayer deteriorated after they were bought and started turning into more of a media center than a video player, and foobar2000 is still alright but became way too slow after 1.0 made the integrated media library check the HDD all the time for changes with no way to turn it off.
Boy, I wonder if I still have that complicated columns_ui config somewhere. I spent a fair amount of time setting that up (more there [edit: notice how I used detach window to take browser screenshots/]).
Opera must not loose the qualities that have set it apart till now and that are the reason there is such a strong loyalty to it among core users. If that's gone, these core user group will loose the reason to keep using Opera as opposed to alternative browsers. Some new users may be gained, and Opera may compete with the likes of Comodo Dragon and SRWare Iron, but mere numbers don't tell the full story. Opera may even excel those, and it probably will, but if it looses the core users it will loose its heart and soul. It will lose its Opera-ishness and no more be the browser we so cherished that had many of us refer to it as *my* Opera.
My plea is, first of all, to find a way to keep Opera as CUSTOMIZABLE as it used to be. The worry about alienating writers relatively new Opera extensions should their work become incompatible is fine and good, but much more work was done by countless users to tailor-suit Opera to their and other users' requirements via its inbuilt scope for customizations. That's where the heart of Opera really beats! The care and concern for developers of extensions should be secondary to not alienating those countless users who, over a much longer period of time, expended a much larger total amount of time and effort to improve and personalize users' workflow and general Opera-experience building on nothing but Opera's inbuilt architecture. What about the tireless efforts of user like, just to give an example TAMIL. Will they become redundant, part of and applicable only to a bygone era? All the wonderful little enhancements to Opera's functionality in the form of tricks, tweaks, a wide variety of ingenious scripts, with bookmarklets and custom buttons and what not, enhancements in large numbers some of which are very special and ingenious indeed.
Existing extensions are fine and keeping their developers in good spirit is important, no doubt, but the existing extensions as such are not really that essential, even less considering the wealth of already existing Chrome extensions that will probably work with Webkit based Opera versions of the future. Existing exensions could be rewritten to fit a new architecture, but what will become of the vast treasure chest of previous user input to help themselves and others to put the stamp of their individuality on the Opera running on their systems, allowing even users with much less technical know-how to make it their very own, a unique, privatised version much closer to the ideal browser for their needs than any factory made version of any browser could possibly be. If that type of dedication and effort got lost in the course of the transition, everything is lost. The Opera that we cherished or even loved, will be lost to us. Please keep that in mind and foremost on the agenda.
Apart from this, there are other features or qualities users fear to loose, of course, and most of these have mentioned and elaborated on by much more expert voices than mine (I'm just a simple user). I'm less concerned than some about loosing the features for which there are already good Chromium extensions or that could be implemented by developing new ones.
In addition to user worries about feature loss, there is concern future Opera releases will share the weaknesses and annoyances of the other Webkit browsers (like the lack of MRU tabs support, text highlighting nightmares, poor download management, etc, just to name a few). I'll draw my hat and be most happy and if Opera find a way to improve the status quo and these concerns will be found to have no basis. But till then, I can only add my voice to those that have such concerns and say: "Me too!"
But, while there's a whole host of concern, the one central, most important and crucial point of them all is the question of configurability touched on first. So, for maximum clarity, and not least because hardly anyone is going to read through the whole comment anyway, I'll repeat it. even using capital letters, though I'm generally opposed to "caps shouting". But this issue is the crux for me, the litmus test of whether the new incarnation will be true Opera or just another Chromium clone. Even if you managed to become the best of them, which I believe you could - Opera always was something special - but you'd no more be "my" Opera. So therefore, hat whatever the compromises Opera will be forced to make to enable this transition , you must, PLEASE, DO everything humanly possible to NOT COMPROMISE ON CUSTOMIZABILITY! Please, KEEP ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS USER INPUT now ( interface, shortcuts, etc) AS CUSTOMIZABLE AS IT IS.
This was a heartfelt pleas. Thanks for reading.
EricJHSaturday, March 30, 2013 4:57:18 PM
Originally posted by elations:
Even if you managed to become the best of them, which I believe you could - Opera always was something special - but you'd no more be "my" Opera. So therefore, hat whatever the compromises Opera will be forced to make to enable this transition , you must, PLEASE, DO everything humanly possible to NOT COMPROMISE ON CUSTOMIZABILITY! Please, KEEP ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS USER INPUT now ( interface, shortcuts, etc) AS CUSTOMIZABLE AS IT IS.
Thank you for your well written and heartfelt summarization of what Opera is.
Opera is The Swiss Army Knife browser. It has sooo much functionality and customisability on offer straight from the box while at the same time being a fast browser. That is where Opera really shines.
Giving that up will alienate it's long term users (read ambassadors). Very little is being said about keeping functionality and only goes as far as a best effort promise. In the world of missions statements that does not come across as strong.
This feeds the underlying fear that Opera management is aiming for the bigger pond while hoping the sheer size of the pond will up Opera's turn over taking a more lazy approach of shirking and taking enough with competition at its most regressed level: narcissism of the little difference. In this scenario all browsers are pretty much the same, so the little difference there is will be advertised aggressively suggesting more difference than there is,
I think it's a good thing - they will still to something which has the indention to be more standard-compliant and transparent to the web (no more prefixes) - kinda what they declared earlier - to bring Opera's standards adherence to webkit... but it will be blink in the end ;-)
André ZangheliniThursday, April 4, 2013 8:41:57 PM
All this discussion makes me wonder why lose Presto?
IE uses Trident, Firefox uses Gecko, Konkeror uses KHTML which was forked by Safari to create their own engine called Webkit, which is now forked by Chrome to create its own engine called Blink.
If everyone have its own engine, why Opera can't?
AzraelFriday, April 5, 2013 7:38:18 AM
Originally posted by An-dz:
If everyone have its own engine, why Opera can't?
Because it costs money and the new management of Opera is in it for them, not pride over own's work or customer satisfaction.
J7NFriday, April 5, 2013 12:25:43 PM
What am I reading on wikipedia today!? Is Opera crazy? Writing its own sucide message like this? I'd rather wish it ceased being developed than become a mere 'skin' around the Google Explorer.
Marcelo FortesWednesday, April 10, 2013 4:08:00 AM
Opera just shoted in his own foot.
Its. the End of Opera. Sad but true... and so who will continue using Opera if there is the main webkit browser using the webkit render called Chrome? I have been seen it before everybody will abandon opera to use Chrome
Marcelo FortesWednesday, April 10, 2013 4:29:37 AM
Originally posted by clashcityrocker:
Originally posted by alekksander:
Opera (desktop) will become "just another webkit browser". No more performance, no more security, and what about independence?... chrome is going in "wrong" direction, it aims to be idiot-proof browser for the masses... now opera is going to be the same? For a long time user, that really worries me. that's sad.
It's just the webkit rendering and V8 javascript engine they are using, build into the Opera we know and love. I have 100% confidence that this will make Opera even better. None of the stuff we love about Opera has anything to do with the rendering or JS engine. I doubt you would even notice the difference, except more sites work the way you expect them to, and things are faster.
More time for developers to focus on the things we love about Opera that makes Opera unique.
Really ? I have serious doubts, and there obvious proofs Presto is fater than webkit
ouzowtfWednesday, April 10, 2013 7:18:25 AM
Originally posted by ultrix:
Opera just shoted in his own foot.
Its. the End of Opera. Sad but true... and so who will continue using Opera if there is the main webkit browser using the webkit render called Chrome? I have been seen it before everybody will abandon opera to use Chrome
You sound like some guy talking about Judgement Day all the time.
AlasPoorYorickFriday, April 26, 2013 4:56:27 PM
Thank goodness!!
Opera 12.x browsers have trouble with finance.yahoo.com and finance.google.com while chromium on the same computer works fine. At last full compatibility with major sites across the web plus all the cool Opera features like a superb password manager, opening bookmarks in a new tab, speed dial.
Example troubles with Opera 12.x: opera uses 100% of CPU if javascript is enabled and access stock quotes on finance.yahoo.com. Doesn't display graphs on finance.google.com. Doesn't play videos on movies.yahoo.com. All of these worked fine with Opera 11.x.
QuHnoSaturday, April 27, 2013 10:29:00 PM
Originally posted by AlasPoorYorick:
Example troubles with Opera 12.x: opera uses 100% of CPU if javascript is enabled and access stock quotes on finance.yahoo.com.
... and yes, plugins and javascript were activated. I logged out from yahoo for this shot, but it works the same when I am logged in to yahoo. Are you sure that no userscript or extension interferes? Did you try it with -pd aka a temporary clean profile?
Khaled KhalilTuesday, April 30, 2013 5:27:22 PM
Originally posted by Chirpie:
Originally posted by cnbatch:
U3 is NOT Webkit!
Wrong. It IS Webkit.
U3 is to WebKit like WebKit is to KHTML.
So why do you abstain to mention it as the origine of the same code among them ? Since you claim that forkes are alike.
Marcelo FortesWednesday, May 1, 2013 2:12:45 PM
Originally posted by ouzoWTF:
Originally posted by ultrix:
Opera just shoted in his own foot.
Its. the End of Opera. Sad but true... and so who will continue using Opera if there is the main webkit browser using the webkit render called Chrome? I have been seen it before everybody will abandon opera to use Chrome
You sound like some guy talking about Judgement Day all the time.
Well its not the end of the world but the tombstone of a nice application, there is no tomorrow for Opera just it. I just said i have been seen this before with other companies and other products, this leads to death of some technologies.
ouzowtfFriday, May 3, 2013 6:38:20 AM
Originally posted by ultrix:
Well its not the end of the world but the tombstone of a nice application, there is no tomorrow for Opera just it. I just said i have been seen this before with other companies and other products, this leads to death of some technologies.
Maybe you should put your crystal ball away and just wait and see.
oldawySunday, May 5, 2013 8:14:43 AM
they are sure taking their time any idea when will they release the new desktop browser?
LinuxMint7Sunday, May 5, 2013 11:22:44 AM
Originally posted by oldawy:
they are sure taking their time any idea when will they release the new desktop browser?
When it's ready, Obviously.
As Opera do not like to put themselves into a position of creating deadlines or making announcements that can not be kept or are at risk of being delayed etc. Which would ultimately result in disappointment.
Marcelo FortesTuesday, May 7, 2013 9:29:45 PM
Originally posted by ouzoWTF:
Originally posted by ultrix:
Well its not the end of the world but the tombstone of a nice application, there is no tomorrow for Opera just it. I just said i have been seen this before with other companies and other products, this leads to death of some technologies.
Maybe you should put your crystal ball away and just wait and see.
Its not a Question of "Cristall Ball", as I wrote above, it happened before with many famous good software and I am not talking only about web browsers, I am software engineer and i know for historical facts it in rare specific circumstance work well, even old Netscape changed they engine to use IE engine and it was a total disaster.
I deep wish the best for Opera , but who will use it if can use chrome engine instead? Mainly to users to deslike or dont uses other opera features as integrated mail reader or mirc client etc.. what makes opera great is his engine. I understand that maintain it is onerous and would be hard now, but wish would have another way
LinuxMint7Wednesday, May 8, 2013 10:30:51 AM
Originally posted by ultrix:
Originally posted by ouzoWTF:
Maybe you should put your crystal ball away and just wait and see.
Its not a Question of "Cristall Ball", as I wrote above, it happened before with many famous good software and I am not talking only about web browsers, I am software engineer and i know for historical facts it in rare specific circumstance work well, even old Netscape changed they engine to use IE engine and it was a total disaster.
I deep wish the best for Opera , but who will use it if can use chrome engine instead? Mainly to users to deslike or dont uses other opera features as integrated mail reader or mirc client etc.. what makes opera great is his engine. I understand that maintain it is onerous and would be hard now, but wish would have another way
Oh c'mon, If you are going to quote someone, at least quote them properly, including spelling, otherwise it is not a quote, is it ?.
"Cristall Ball" does not equal "crystal ball"
netwolfWednesday, May 8, 2013 11:33:23 AM
Originally posted by LinuxMint7:
"Cristall Ball" does not equal "crystal ball"
You obviously totally got the point...
EricJHWednesday, May 8, 2013 5:23:03 PM
Originally posted by LinuxMint7:
"Cristall Ball" does not equal "crystal ball"
Isn't this a case of different spelling for English used in different parts of the world? Behaviour vs behavior; favour vs favor....etc..
FransWednesday, May 8, 2013 9:30:41 PM
Unless they still use the Middle English spelling "cristal" (shared with e.g. French and Spanish), not really.
LinuxMint7Wednesday, May 8, 2013 9:48:07 PM
Originally posted by EricJH:
Originally posted by LinuxMint7:
"Cristall Ball" does not equal "crystal ball"
Isn't this a case of different spelling for English used in different parts of the world? Behaviour vs behavior; favour vs favor....etc..
If it's a quote, then it should be quoted as-is. Otherwise it isn't a quote and shouldn't be enclosed in quote marks. But then saying that, a quote can be misquoted, which would also not be a quote, unless it was an intentional misquote. But then again unintentionally misquoting a quote is also not a quote.
Steve ThackerySunday, March 17, 2013 1:25:53 AM
André ZangheliniSunday, March 17, 2013 1:41:06 AM
PgUp and PgDw simply jump, there's no smooth scroll at all. You can try disabling smooth scroll in Opera settings to see if anything changes.
Originally posted by Staiger:
Did you enabled Scrolling functions?
And I just found one terrible thing about the move to the webkit.
webkit support custom cursor and custom scroll bars.
I just can't handle someone who uses any of these.
MossManSunday, March 17, 2013 8:51:28 AM
Originally posted by Staiger:
Err. Nope.FransSunday, March 17, 2013 9:56:32 AM
Originally posted by André:
Well, I don't care for smooth scrolling because it's slower. Just like I don't care for all kinds of special effects because they slow things down. By which I mean I don't want to sit there 1-2 seconds staring at some fading animation or whatever.
Originally posted by André:
Opera also supports custom scrollbars.
Originally posted by Steve Thackery:
Chromium seems to take a number of milliseconds before actually "instantaneously" moving the page. And this is on my Core 2 Duo E6600. This is exactly the kind of thing I mean when I call Chrome(ium) unresponsive and slow, regardless what artificial benchmarks say. Opera and Firefox do not wait around for a noticeable number of milliseconds; they are actually instantaneous, or at least close to it. Now with smooth scroll enabled, which I don't care for, yes, you see the scroll bar moving along smoothly. That's intended. It's not, of course, intended to be jerky.
Btw, it seems that in Windows I can confirm your observation on my good laptop, a Core 2 Duo T3400. Scrolling at the very top of the page slows down a little, although I wouldn't call it jerky. But when I enable HWA, there's actually a kind of jerk there. However, IE has that too. I think it might be related to the Flash ad. But based on what you said here I think you might simply be calling the normal smooth scrolling operation jerky — which I can understand I suppose, I also think it slows me down. So just disable it.
woj-tekSunday, March 17, 2013 10:50:52 AM
Originally posted by Frenzie:
but you can turn them off... each time I have to use Google Calendar in Chrome and trying to set time I'm banging my head against the wall beacase there is no up/down button - only the bar which is not that acurate... :|
Серба ТасичSunday, March 17, 2013 9:23:16 PM
Im going to other engine, if you want webkit go to Chrome or Safari
I dont like webkit and going to gecko engine.
Opera R.I.P.
DillonWednesday, March 20, 2013 6:31:46 PM
Originally posted by An-dz:
Chrome has smooth scrolling under a "hidden" setting in chrome://flagsMaximThursday, March 21, 2013 2:25:52 PM
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:42:33 AM
Originally posted by skysmurf:
You ignorant fool. Opera has been doing ads for a long time already. This is just a restructuring of the ad business they've had for a long time.
You FAIL.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:43:50 AM
Originally posted by woj-tek:
No, it looks Android native. That's the point. It's a native UI so it looks like Android.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:43:50 AM
Originally posted by zarathos:
Actually, it will be more popular because all sites will suddenly work.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:44:14 AM
Originally posted by XaHyMaH:
Troll reported.
They actually have hundreds of veteran programmers who are more than capable. But ignorant trolls will keep trolling.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:45:59 AM
Originally posted by MossMan:
They haven't. Some guy claimed it was dead, but then the DF job ad showed up. So the guy was evidently wrong.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:47:03 AM
Originally posted by woj-tek:
So any streamlined browser is Chrome?
Different ui = not "basically Chrome," troll.
Epic failtroll fails.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:47:41 AM
Originally posted by cnbatch:
Wrong. It IS Webkit. The UC liars lied and claimed it wasn't, but it turned out it was.
So you'll abandon the UC liar browser?
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:49:07 AM
Originally posted by dovelove:
What are you talking about? Are you completely insane? The founder left Opera a long time ago. And he was responsible for releases like 10.5. Remember 10.5?
Your extreme ignorance of history compels you to make completely moronic comments that don't make sense.
ChirpieFriday, March 22, 2013 9:49:29 AM
Originally posted by stripclubdj:
Troll detected, and reported.
woj-tekFriday, March 22, 2013 11:04:18 AM
Originally posted by Chirpie:
Go both ways - and I encourage EVERYONE in this thread to to the same... maybe this will speed up things like with caughslamdexcaugh...
EDIT: why blocked users appear in commends after all?!
kapsiFriday, March 22, 2013 12:03:20 PM
Originally posted by woj-tek:
Sorry but I like girls only.MossManFriday, March 22, 2013 2:48:33 PM
Originally posted by kapsi:
MossManFriday, March 22, 2013 2:59:36 PM
Originally posted by Chirpie:
From https://twitter.com/runeh/status/301616059729969152
discussion between Rune F. Halvorsen ("Mobile developer at FINN.no, Opera Dragonfly developer") and David Håsäther ("JavaScript developer at @Opera Software, working on Opera Dragonfly"):
So one Dragonfly developer (not employed by Opera) suggests Dragonfly is dead, and this is more or less confirmed by another developer who claims to work for Opera.
Note that this conversation occurred a month before the ad appeared for new employees with Dragonfly experience - so it's entirely possible that all the negative reaction in the meantime has caused Opera to look at creating a similar (but not necessarily identical) tool for the WebKit browser.
Stephan Robert SevenyolnFriday, March 22, 2013 3:23:39 PM
The only sites that work better with Webkit are the Google sites such as Gmail. The rest work better in Presto. Presto doesn't have rendering problems in my experience. Google Plus, Gmail, Google Drive ect will work better in Webkit, but the majority of websites won't.
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sirnh1Friday, March 22, 2013 5:52:52 PM
Originally posted by stephansevenyoln:
At this point nobody knows what the new browser will look like. But if I look at the 'mobile Beta' version, then I get the impression that pretty much all of opera's features will be gone. (they did kill stuff like: text-wrapping, bookmarks, opera link (it's only available as a web interface, thus making it pretty much useless). Even the option "off-road/tubo off while on wifi' is gone.
And after removing all of that, it's still a lot slower then the current (presto based) version and uses more memory too. I just wish opera would give us a status update like 'features a and be will still be in the next version, while feature 'C' is till undecided.
I mean they basicly did kill 'opera link' on the mobile version. What does that mean for the desktop version?
semtexxlThursday, March 28, 2013 6:16:58 PM
FransThursday, March 28, 2013 7:38:28 PM
Originally posted by semtexxl:
KMPlayer deteriorated after they were bought and started turning into more of a media center than a video player, and foobar2000 is still alright but became way too slow after 1.0 made the integrated media library check the HDD all the time for changes with no way to turn it off.
Boy, I wonder if I still have that complicated columns_ui config somewhere. I spent a fair amount of time setting that up (more there [edit: notice how I used detach window to take browser screenshots/]).
semtexxlThursday, March 28, 2013 9:29:19 PM
Originally posted by Frenzie:
elationsSaturday, March 30, 2013 1:47:20 PM
My plea is, first of all, to find a way to keep Opera as CUSTOMIZABLE as it used to be. The worry about alienating writers relatively new Opera extensions should their work become incompatible is fine and good, but much more work was done by countless users to tailor-suit Opera to their and other users' requirements via its inbuilt scope for customizations. That's where the heart of Opera really beats! The care and concern for developers of extensions should be secondary to not alienating those countless users who, over a much longer period of time, expended a much larger total amount of time and effort to improve and personalize users' workflow and general Opera-experience building on nothing but Opera's inbuilt architecture. What about the tireless efforts of user like, just to give an example TAMIL. Will they become redundant, part of and applicable only to a bygone era? All the wonderful little enhancements to Opera's functionality in the form of tricks, tweaks, a wide variety of ingenious scripts, with bookmarklets and custom buttons and what not, enhancements in large numbers some of which are very special and ingenious indeed.
Existing extensions are fine and keeping their developers in good spirit is important, no doubt, but the existing extensions as such are not really that essential, even less considering the wealth of already existing Chrome extensions that will probably work with Webkit based Opera versions of the future. Existing exensions could be rewritten to fit a new architecture, but what will become of the vast treasure chest of previous user input to help themselves and others to put the stamp of their individuality on the Opera running on their systems, allowing even users with much less technical know-how to make it their very own, a unique, privatised version much closer to the ideal browser for their needs than any factory made version of any browser could possibly be. If that type of dedication and effort got lost in the course of the transition, everything is lost. The Opera that we cherished or even loved, will be lost to us. Please keep that in mind and foremost on the agenda.
Apart from this, there are other features or qualities users fear to loose, of course, and most of these have mentioned and elaborated on by much more expert voices than mine (I'm just a simple user). I'm less concerned than some about loosing the features for which there are already good Chromium extensions or that could be implemented by developing new ones.
In addition to user worries about feature loss, there is concern future Opera releases will share the weaknesses and annoyances of the other Webkit browsers (like the lack of MRU tabs support, text highlighting nightmares, poor download management, etc, just to name a few). I'll draw my hat and be most happy and if Opera find a way to improve the status quo and these concerns will be found to have no basis. But till then, I can only add my voice to those that have such concerns and say: "Me too!"
But, while there's a whole host of concern, the one central, most important and crucial point of them all is the question of configurability touched on first. So, for maximum clarity, and not least because hardly anyone is going to read through the whole comment anyway, I'll repeat it. even using capital letters, though I'm generally opposed to "caps shouting". But this issue is the crux for me, the litmus test of whether the new incarnation will be true Opera or just another Chromium clone. Even if you managed to become the best of them, which I believe you could - Opera always was something special - but you'd no more be "my" Opera. So therefore, hat whatever the compromises Opera will be forced to make to enable this transition , you must, PLEASE, DO everything humanly possible to NOT COMPROMISE ON CUSTOMIZABILITY! Please, KEEP ANYTHING THAT ALLOWS USER INPUT now ( interface, shortcuts, etc) AS CUSTOMIZABLE AS IT IS.
This was a heartfelt pleas. Thanks for reading.
EricJHSaturday, March 30, 2013 4:57:18 PM
Originally posted by elations:
Thank you for your well written and heartfelt summarization of what Opera is.Opera is The Swiss Army Knife browser. It has sooo much functionality and customisability on offer straight from the box while at the same time being a fast browser. That is where Opera really shines.
Giving that up will alienate it's long term users (read ambassadors). Very little is being said about keeping functionality and only goes as far as a best effort promise. In the world of missions statements that does not come across as strong.
This feeds the underlying fear that Opera management is aiming for the bigger pond while hoping the sheer size of the pond will up Opera's turn over taking a more lazy approach of shirking and taking enough with competition at its most regressed level: narcissism of the little difference. In this scenario all browsers are pretty much the same, so the little difference there is will be advertised aggressively suggesting more difference than there is,
EricJHSaturday, March 30, 2013 5:08:17 PM
It's 5,5 years old but when you read FF, Chromium based and Safari instead of FF it still is surprisingly accurate....
vux777Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:19:37 PM
Opera will actually follow Google on it's Blink developing path?
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/03/google-forks-webkit-and-launches-blink-its-own-rendering-engine-that-will-soon-power-chrome-and-chromeos/
*there is a statement from Opera at the bottom
woj-tekThursday, April 4, 2013 2:18:37 PM
André ZangheliniThursday, April 4, 2013 8:41:57 PM
IE uses Trident, Firefox uses Gecko, Konkeror uses KHTML which was forked by Safari to create their own engine called Webkit, which is now forked by Chrome to create its own engine called Blink.
If everyone have its own engine, why Opera can't?
AzraelFriday, April 5, 2013 7:38:18 AM
Originally posted by An-dz:
Because it costs money and the new management of Opera is in it for them, not pride over own's work or customer satisfaction.
J7NFriday, April 5, 2013 12:25:43 PM
Marcelo FortesWednesday, April 10, 2013 4:08:00 AM
Its. the End of Opera. Sad but true... and so who will continue using Opera if there is the main webkit browser using the webkit render called Chrome? I have been seen it before everybody will abandon opera to use Chrome
Marcelo FortesWednesday, April 10, 2013 4:29:37 AM
Originally posted by clashcityrocker:
Really ? I have serious doubts, and there obvious proofs Presto is fater than webkitouzowtfWednesday, April 10, 2013 7:18:25 AM
Originally posted by ultrix:
You sound like some guy talking about Judgement Day all the time.
AlasPoorYorickFriday, April 26, 2013 4:56:27 PM
Opera 12.x browsers have trouble with finance.yahoo.com and finance.google.com while chromium on the same computer works fine. At last full compatibility with major sites across the web plus all the cool Opera features like a superb password manager, opening bookmarks in a new tab, speed dial.
Example troubles with Opera 12.x: opera uses 100% of CPU if javascript is enabled and access stock quotes on finance.yahoo.com.
Doesn't display graphs on finance.google.com. Doesn't play videos on movies.yahoo.com. All of these worked fine with Opera 11.x.
QuHnoSaturday, April 27, 2013 10:29:00 PM
Originally posted by AlasPoorYorick:
Can't confirm the yahoo issue, I tested it with my smallest computer, see
http://my.opera.com/QuHno/albums/showpic.dml?album=3811932&picture=185237052
... and yes, plugins and javascript were activated. I logged out from yahoo for this shot, but it works the same when I am logged in to yahoo. Are you sure that no userscript or extension interferes? Did you try it with -pd aka a temporary clean profile?
Khaled KhalilTuesday, April 30, 2013 5:27:22 PM
Originally posted by Chirpie:
U3 is to WebKit like WebKit is to KHTML. So why do you abstain to mention it as the origine of the same code among them ? Since you claim that forkes are alike.Marcelo FortesWednesday, May 1, 2013 2:12:45 PM
Originally posted by ouzoWTF:
Well its not the end of the world but the tombstone of a nice application, there is no tomorrow for Opera just it. I just said i have been seen this before with other companies and other products, this leads to death of some technologies.ouzowtfFriday, May 3, 2013 6:38:20 AM
Originally posted by ultrix:
Maybe you should put your crystal ball away and just wait and see.
oldawySunday, May 5, 2013 8:14:43 AM
any idea when will they release the new desktop browser?
LinuxMint7Sunday, May 5, 2013 11:22:44 AM
Originally posted by oldawy:
When it's ready, Obviously. As Opera do not like to put themselves into a position of creating deadlines or making announcements that can not be kept or are at risk of being delayed etc. Which would ultimately result in disappointment.Marcelo FortesTuesday, May 7, 2013 9:29:45 PM
Originally posted by ouzoWTF:
Its not a Question of "Cristall Ball", as I wrote above, it happened before with many famous good software and I am not talking only about web browsers, I am software engineer and i know for historical facts it in rare specific circumstance work well, even old Netscape changed they engine to use IE engine and it was a total disaster. I deep wish the best for Opera , but who will use it if can use chrome engine instead? Mainly to users to deslike or dont uses other opera features as integrated mail reader or mirc client etc.. what makes opera great is his engine. I understand that maintain it is onerous and would be hard now, but wish would have another wayLinuxMint7Wednesday, May 8, 2013 10:30:51 AM
Originally posted by ultrix:
Oh c'mon, If you are going to quote someone, at least quote them properly, including spelling, otherwise it is not a quote, is it ?. "Cristall Ball" does not equal "crystal ball"netwolfWednesday, May 8, 2013 11:33:23 AM
Originally posted by LinuxMint7:
You obviously totally got the point...
EricJHWednesday, May 8, 2013 5:23:03 PM
Originally posted by LinuxMint7:
Isn't this a case of different spelling for English used in different parts of the world? Behaviour vs behavior; favour vs favor....etc..FransWednesday, May 8, 2013 9:30:41 PM
LinuxMint7Wednesday, May 8, 2013 9:48:07 PM
Originally posted by EricJH:
If it's a quote, then it should be quoted as-is. Otherwise it isn't a quote and shouldn't be enclosed in quote marks. But then saying that, a quote can be misquoted, which would also not be a quote, unless it was an intentional misquote. But then again unintentionally misquoting a quote is also not a quote.
But don't quote me on that.